2012 Presidential Election

[davidhayes1956]

Aug 29, 2012 19:04:09 GMT -5 Mistermoonlight said:

Paragraphs, David, paragraphs!

Makes it so much easier to read.

I'm picking up bad habits from Facebook where hitting the return key ends the posts instead of making a space between paragraphs.

[davidhayes1956]

Aug 20, 2012 21:24:55 GMT -5 SoCal said:

BTW, presidents do not introduce bills. Anyone may initiate an idea for a bill, but only a member of Congress can introduce the bill.

People credit LBJ with civil rights legislation because he knew how to push legislation through congress. A President may not be able to introduce a bill, but he can tell Congress what he wants, what he expects and what he will sign into law. He can also with hold co-operation on other legislation desired by Congress if they don't cooperate with him.

www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3087021

[davidhayes1956]

When you look at the bailout of a company, there are some items that don't always get included on the ledger sheet. How much money would have been spent in unemployment and aide to people that would have been unemployed if the companies had failed? How much income tax revenue would have been lost if the workers had lost their jobs? How much less money would have been spent stimulating the economy by the workers had they lost their jobs? How much less money would those workers have donated to charity had they lost their jobs? How much more money would have been spent on foreign products if the people that made those products here in the USA had lost their jobs making products here? How many fewer gas efficient cars that reduce our dependency on foreign oil would have been produced if those companies had been allowed to fail? There are also the suppliers to those companies that would have lost business if those companies had failed. The costs are easy to sum up. The benefits aren't always so easy to see.

[KyleEl]

So the Democrats start tonight.

I don't think they have a leg to stand on.

All they can do is criticize the Republicans and talk about how they got their facts wrong.

But I read Parade magazine yesterday and Obama still thinks he can tax the rich and bring down the deficit. There aren't enough rich. I've been listening to Mike Huckabee say this in his three-minute radio commentaries for years.

I would like to see Obama do everything he wants to do, but Obamacare is wrecking the economy (or so I've heard) because businesses are afraid to invest due to the uncertainty. People are getting upset that the government is "taking over", and I certainly don't want that. And people whose religious convictions won't allow abortion are being forced to provide insurance that pays for it.

And most importantly, the Chinese are paying for all of Obama's spending. We can't do that indefinitely.

At the same time, I don't like everything the Republicans want either. I feel that vouchers for students will take the best students, and funding, out of the public schools and make them even worse.

Defense is an item where it appears Obama wants to make lots of cuts, and Romney wants to spend even more. We are not the world's policeman. We have all these bases we don't need. Let us defend ourselves against direct threats. Give our men and women the best of everything, including health care after they've finished serving. But W got us into a war because they tried to kill his daddy, and conveniently, someone found WMDs that weren't there even though Iraq didn't seem to be helping bin Laden. I do, however, get the seriousness of the Iran-Israel conflict after reading Charles Krauthammer in the newspaper, and I can only hope that problem gets resolved without guns or bombs.

And there is only so much oil. We're not making new oil. We might be able to discover more oil that is already there. We might even be able to do it without hurting the environment. But there is only so much oil and Obama was at least trying to find alternatives. One day we'll have to.

Less regulation sounds like a good thing. There are many needless regulations. But some of those regulations protect us. The rich would have just gone on polluting the air and water and cutting down the trees.

[KyleEl]

Aug 29, 2012 15:34:01 GMT -5 SoCal said:

Yeah, just check in with Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, John Kerry, John Edwards, Harry Reid, etc. Plenty of rich dems who use the same tax laws to keep their money out of the taxman's hands.

Good point.

[davidhayes1956]

Wow Kyle, how nice it was to read a post with opinions about the good and bad aspects on both sides of the Presidential race!

[Mistermoonlight]

[AntiArbitrator]

Don't make me fall off the chair.

[SoCal]

I'm a racist.

[KyleEl]

Now that I've watched the Democrats, the Republicans don't have a leg to stand on.

I agree with most everything they want, but I'm still concerned about "big government", the uncertainty created by Obamacare, and the $15 trillion debt which Obama didn't seem to have a solution for.

I don't want the needy to be on their own while the rich get all the breaks, and Clinton and Obama pointed out the Republicans never actually told us how they would do it, but it's beginning to sound like we have to vote for Romney to solve these two problems.

Or we could just continue to rely on Uncle Chang.

[SoCal]

Which part of the DNC circus pulled you in? Mayor Villar trying 3x to get the delegates to agree to a platform change? Crazy Joe saying his dad would like Obama.......if he were alive, that is? the crazy ex-governor of Michagan waving her arms around like she was trying to take off? Liz Warren and her doomsday speech? The womanizer, Clinton, waving the same bony finger that he used to lie to us about "sex with that woman?" Or Obama's horrible speech?
The dims (yes, I mean dims) are a bankrupt party. Except they're using our money to pay for their shenanagins.
So I guess we will cancel out each other's votes.
How about that?

[AntiArbitrator]

Dean: We're humans. When we really want something, we lie.
Castiel: Why?
Dean: Because--that's how you become president.

[SoCal]

[jamesottosweethart]

Right now I have no intention of voting for anyone in November because when it comes down to it all the way, you can't trust anything that is said by those who run for office. Yeah they can say anything now, but their choice of action once they are "in charge" could end up being absolutely nothing like their words.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

[Watchtower]

I thought I was the only one who wasn't gonna vote for either candidate, because to be honest, I don't know what to believe. So, Aeryn and Holly, I'm with both of you.

[AntiArbitrator]

Sept 9, 2012 10:30:05 GMT -5 SoCal said:

Did they dub that? But it looked like he actually said it. Today, the Democrats would be entitled to equal time on the show.

[SoCal]

Bob Hope was certainly famous for tweaking both political parties. This was from one of his old movies. Still true today, though.

[Watchtower]

Sept 10, 2012 12:48:59 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

You're not the only one, honey. Frankly, I was planning on voting for Romney...but after listening to him recently, I'm convinced he's the Anti Christ.

I will never understand politics.

[SoCal]

I would vote for a fire plug if it meant the morons currently occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue woud be booted out.

[AntiArbitrator]

[SoCal]

[SoCal]

[KyleEl]

Where do I get a "None of the Above in 2012" bumper sticker?

Here's a new one: Mike Huckabee in one of his three-minute commentaries says Obama is to blame for the banking crisis. It seems he was one of the lawyers who forced banks to stop discriminating, so banks had to start giving mortgages to anyone who walked in the door whether they could pay or not.

Based on Mike Huckabee, there's nothing Obama can say to get himself re-elected. Now if I just had confidence Romney could get the job done--and that the poor wouldn't be out in the cold. I was reading Romney would continue to require insurance companies to accept people with pre-existing conditions, but my guess is he wouldn't do anything to prevent their premiums from being much higher than everyone else's.

[SoCal]

Who cares what Mike Huckabee says?

I'm certainly not going to decide whether or not to vote or who to vote for based on anything Mike Huckabee says or anything Bill Clinton says.

I will vote for the person who most closely supports those positions I support.

[AntiArbitrator]

One of several line dances to encourage people to "Dance to the Polls".

[Mistermoonlight]

[SoCal]

Let's NOT do it again.



And his mid-east policies are working SO well, aren't they?

[Mistermoonlight]

You know what I want? A president who is part of the creative spirit that enobles us all.







Any man that Michelle Obama picked to be her husband is someone truly worth celebrating. He is an uncommonly special person, worthy of the highest ideals we have set.

He is a good man, and nothing that political rivals can say will tarnish that. .

Abraham Lincoln would have tears in his eyes when they met, and Jack Kennedy would know that his striving for our highest goals had finally found someone worthy. I have no doubt they would have been great friends.

How sad to live in a time of legends and not even realize it.

To see those who would lift all of us up as being more important than corporations. To be brave and to care about all of the people in the United States, not just those with money.

A true leader is one who has vision, not a limited viewpoint. We need leaders with courage now more than ever.

President Barack Obama has a heart, and cares about people. That's something I will always applaud.

[Mistermoonlight]

Sept 15, 2012 16:00:34 GMT -5 SoCal said:

Let's NOT do it again.



And his mid-east policies are working SO well, aren't they?

My suggestion? Actually watch the video by these young men instead of merely blowing it off.

Sept 15, 2012 15:41:28 GMT -5 Mistermoonlight said:

[SoCal]

Well, gee, thank you very little for a suggestion not asked for.



He hasn't got a clue. He has no idea what he is doing. On the day American citizens were being murdered in Libya, he didn't see the need to NOT attend a fund raiser in Las Vegas or rub elbows with Beyonce.

He always has been, is, and always will be a fool.