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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 3, 2013 19:35:26 GMT -5
Throughout the novel I'd been wondering if that fiasco with Stu, Frannie and Harold and the diary/ledger had never happened would Harold have been a different person, but I thought and thought on it and finally I realized Harold just simply matured into what he really was underneath. I believe he was lead as he said but I think Harold would have ended up heading west even simply out of pure curiosity as he said something drew him that way In a way, Harold was just the vessel to get Nadine to the west. And, of course, Harold thought HE was the important one. Big surprise. |
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 3, 2013 19:35:40 GMT -5
I also liked this quote from Frannie
"Sometimes I think the superflu left us all alive but drove us all mad"
I guess some characters more than others lol
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 3, 2013 19:39:33 GMT -5
Yea Harold had that kind of attitude like an immature 12 year old the whole world revolved around Harold he was such a gross character!
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 3, 2013 19:44:33 GMT -5
I'd forgotten that this was the chapter in which the Free Zoners eventually got the lights back on, but only for a very short time.
I can't help but think of Mother Abigail in terms of the light. Hers was there just long enough to get the right people in, then it went out as well.
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 3, 2013 19:52:21 GMT -5
I love that it's Larry and Frannie working together in the scene where they're breaking into Harold's house. We know that these are two good people, and that they are not lovers, unlike Harold and Nadine--that they love others in fact. I think somehow it makes the action on their part stronger that it is the two of them doing this rather than Larry and Lucy or Frannie and Stu.
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 3, 2013 19:54:58 GMT -5
Some knowledge of the end of times seems to be upon them, as they seem to know that even if Harold sees they have been there, at this point it doesn't matter very much.
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 3, 2013 20:02:00 GMT -5
You are so right! And you sound jut like nick on pg 850
"For nick the feeling was the exact opposite of the dread he had known when the lights went out in shoyo not one of entombment now, but of resurrection."
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 3, 2013 20:10:08 GMT -5
I can only be on for a few more minutes, so let me put the rest of my comments on chapter 57 down.
They steal Harold's ledger in which he talks about his glee in killing Stu, and possibly Frannie too. Unfortunately shee doesn't know to pay attention to the walkie-talkie box, but who would?
Nadine then breaks into Nick's place and reads Nick's notes. Then she places the bomb in a closet. She has short-lived regrets as she was leaving, but then 'she felt a blackness creeping over her vision.
As she has this experience, my favorite sentence is 'The Dark Man entered her, and he was cold.'
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 3, 2013 20:11:34 GMT -5
I love that it's Larry and Frannie working together in the scene where they're breaking into Harold's house. We know that these are two good people, and that they are not lovers, unlike Harold and Nadine--that they love others in fact. I think somehow it makes the action on their part stronger that it is the two of them doing this rather than Larry and Lucy or Frannie and Stu.[/quote You know I got the same sense of unison between them it was hard to figure out what exactly made that scene so strong and moving it was like that scene reached out an pulled you in, you felt the need to find that ledger that urgency to hurry before anyone returned and the fact that it was those two rather than their lovers (lol) created for me the real sense of fellowship between them as a community they were there for each other working as a team and they did it with such courage and humor too for example when Larry was worrying over the lock Frannie smiled and asked how he could put the lock on on the wrong side of the door and Larry said with amusement I hate a smartass woman worse than anything and you could just tell how they must have laughed at eachother |
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 3, 2013 20:12:09 GMT -5
You are so right! And you sound jut like nick on pg 850 "For nick the feeling was the exact opposite of the dread he had known when the lights went out in shoyo not one of entombment now, but of resurrection." I would hope for a resurrection for Nick. He's my favorite character. Well, him and KoJack.  |
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 3, 2013 20:12:50 GMT -5
And Tom don't forget Tom:)
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 3, 2013 20:14:46 GMT -5
I love that it's Larry and Frannie working together in the scene where they're breaking into Harold's house. We know that these are two good people, and that they are not lovers, unlike Harold and Nadine--that they love others in fact. I think somehow it makes the action on their part stronger that it is the two of them doing this rather than Larry and Lucy or Frannie and Stu.[/quote You know I got the same sense of unison between them it was hard to figure out what exactly made that scene so strong and moving it was like that scene reached out an pulled you in, you felt the need to find that ledger that urgency to hurry before anyone returned and the fact that it was those two rather than their lovers (lol) created for me the real sense of fellowship between them as a community they were there for each other working as a team and they did it with such courage and humor too for example when Larry was worrying over the lock Frannie smiled and asked how he could put the lock on on the wrong side of the door and Larry said with amusement I hate a smartass woman worse than anything and you could just tell how they must have laughed at eachother Yes, indeed.  I wonder if he will ever say to Lucy, baby can you dig your man? |
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 3, 2013 20:16:06 GMT -5
And Tom don't forget Tom:) D'oh! Make that my favorite THREE characters. Thank you. |
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 3, 2013 20:19:16 GMT -5
I suspect nick had to go on as did M.A. some people are like shooting stars other people see their light and wanna hold onto them but no matter how hard you try to keep them there with you relishing in their light they are always bound to shoot off to be something amazing and the rest of us simply gotta stand and stare at the beauty of them fulfilling their purpose
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 3, 2013 20:21:07 GMT -5
I love that it's Larry and Frannie working together in the scene where they're breaking into Harold's house. We know that these are two good people, and that they are not lovers, unlike Harold and Nadine--that they love others in fact. I think somehow it makes the action on their part stronger that it is the two of them doing this rather than Larry and Lucy or Frannie and Stu.[/quote You know I got the same sense of unison between them it was hard to figure out what exactly made that scene so strong and moving it was like that scene reached out an pulled you in, you felt the need to find that ledger that urgency to hurry before anyone returned and the fact that it was those two rather than their lovers (lol) created for me the real sense of fellowship between them as a community they were there for each other working as a team and they did it with such courage and humor too for example when Larry was worrying over the lock Frannie smiled and asked how he could put the lock on on the wrong side of the door and Larry said with amusement I hate a smartass woman worse than anything and you could just tell how they must have laughed at eachother Yes, indeed. ![]() I wonder if he will ever say to Lucy, baby can you dig your man? why not seems like everyone else seems to be singing it lol I remember in the movie it was that way too but poor old Larry seems to have developed some revulsion for that song in chapter 57 |
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 3, 2013 20:22:49 GMT -5
I can only be on for a few more minutes, so let me put the rest of my comments on chapter 57 down. They steal Harold's ledger in which he talks about his glee in killing Stu, and possibly Frannie too. Unfortunately shee doesn't know to pay attention to the walkie-talkie box, but who would? Nadine then breaks into Nick's place and reads Nick's notes. Then she places the bomb in a closet. She has short-lived regrets as she was leaving, but then 'she felt a blackness creeping over her vision. As she has this experience, my favorite sentence is 'The Dark Man entered her, and he was cold.' How ironic you seem to mark everything I do I have so many notes so I shall post mine as well! |
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 3, 2013 20:23:55 GMT -5
The very end of the chapter, Stephen King sets in one of my favorite places: a drive-in movie theater. And the Dark Man's voice comes across the speakers.
Nadine's hair goes all gray. Her body recognizes what she has done even if she does not. She tells Harold that they have to leave and go to a safer place. Even if he wanted to get out of it at this point, he could not. Nadine's last line in the chapter is "Too late, Harold."
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 3, 2013 20:27:34 GMT -5
And Tom don't forget Tom:) D'oh! Make that my favorite THREE characters. Thank you. Moon that spells your welcome |
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 3, 2013 20:33:01 GMT -5
Some knowledge of the end of times seems to be upon them, as they seem to know that even if Harold sees they have been there, at this point it doesn't matter very much. I liked the way Larry put it if Harold doesn't have anything to be feel guilty about then he will just figure it was some kids busting out windows in abandoned houses and if he does have something to feel guilty about then he'll worry plenty and he deserves to worry Something I just thought of if Harold's house looks empty an everyone says home is where the heart is was that kings sly way of telling us Harold's heart is empty! |
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 3, 2013 20:34:04 GMT -5
D'oh! Make that my favorite THREE characters. Thank you. Moon that spells your welcome There ya go. That's my new motto. Wish I had time to discuss the other two chapters tonight, but I must be up way too early tomorrow morning. Good night, my friend, and I'll look forward to our next discussion. |
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 3, 2013 20:36:30 GMT -5
Some knowledge of the end of times seems to be upon them, as they seem to know that even if Harold sees they have been there, at this point it doesn't matter very much. I liked the way Larry put it if Harold doesn't have anything to be feel guilty about then he will just figure it was some kids busting out windows in abandoned houses and if he does have something to feel guilty about then he'll worry plenty and he deserves to worry Something I just thought of if Harold's house looks empty an everyone says home is where the heart is was that kings sly way of telling us Harold's heart is empty! That is so true. And a great note to end on. |
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 3, 2013 20:42:19 GMT -5
The very end of the chapter, Stephen King sets in one of my favorite places: a drive-in movie theater. And the Dark Man's voice comes across the speakers. Nadine's hair goes all gray. Her body recognizes what she has done even if she does not. She tells Harold that they have to leave and go to a safer place. Even if he wanted to get out of it at this point, he could not. Nadine's last line in the chapter is "Too late, Harold." I marked that same scene noting Harold seemed fearful after realizing the dark man spoke to Nadine and it did that to her hair and he says well what if I don't want too anymore I wondered if that's Harold's first confession of his fear And isn't that just like an immature person get some ruckus stirred up and then decide against what he's done I have wished Harold and Nadine would reform their ways long ago but I realize those two are off their rockers for sure Harold never spoke truer words than when he said I am on a great adventure... Yea an adventure to crazy town and he's not traveling alone he's got crazy old white haired losing her mind and looking forward to it nadine |
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 10, 2013 18:50:26 GMT -5
The very end of the chapter, Stephen King sets in one of my favorite places: a drive-in movie theater. And the Dark Man's voice comes across the speakers. Nadine's hair goes all gray. Her body recognizes what she has done even if she does not. She tells Harold that they have to leave and go to a safer place. Even if he wanted to get out of it at this point, he could not. Nadine's last line in the chapter is "Too late, Harold." Harold never spoke truer words than when he said I am on a great adventure... Yea an adventure to crazy town and he's not traveling alone he's got crazy old white haired losing her mind and looking forward to it nadine I have a bit more sympathy for Nadine than I do Harold. She, at least tried to get out of her destiny. It was a case of too little too late more for her than for him, I think, because her wish to save herself was a bit stronger than his. At the very last moment he says to her 'What if I don't want to?" and she replies, "Too late." I think that means that Flagg will deal with him no matter which choice he makes, but we all know which way Harold's going. |
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 10, 2013 19:05:49 GMT -5
Lol I jiggled when I should've joggled
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 10, 2013 19:06:35 GMT -5
Chapter 58. I love it when Fran and Larry are at Stu and Fran's place and all of a sudden Larry hears Joe playing and singing 'Baby Can You Dig Your Man?" He spills his coffee. ![]() Stu's characterization of Harold as Silverfish from Watership Down is spot-on perfect to me. http://img./albums/m537/mistermoonlight1/smiley-laughing002.gif[/img] |
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 10, 2013 19:07:14 GMT -5
I thought it was so ironic when Fran asked Larry who sung that song she said it was something familiar
I'm betting it was real familiar lol
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 10, 2013 19:07:26 GMT -5
Stu's characterization of Harold as Silverweed from Watership Down is spot-on perfect to me.
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 10, 2013 19:08:51 GMT -5
Somehow my response to your post ended up above your post lol
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Post by Mistermoonlight on Aug 10, 2013 19:11:48 GMT -5
It's my fault. For some reason my last sentence in the post wasn't showing up, so I finally gave up, split it into two posts, then deleted the first one.
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Aug 10, 2013 19:16:03 GMT -5
I noted that part however I have not read watership down
For some reason that part of the chapter reminded me of the catcher in the rye
I think maybe because they described silverweed as having a personality of someone that can see outside the normal things he sees what others are blind to and I saw Holden like that he had a way of explaining things that seemed incomprehensible with a very simple explanation and also I got the feel silver weed was set apart from others rabbits the way Holden was with people of course
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