Caitlyn Jenner?

[mazeman]

Your thoughts! Let's discuss....

[SoCal]

He can take all the hormones he wants and surgically alter himself (ick) but when his corpse is dug up 500 years from now, scientists will classify him as a male. He's got serious mental problems and the money to pretend he's something that he isn't.

Ya can't change DNA

[Aeryn]

[SoCal]

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On Monday, Bruce Jenner announced that he wanted to be called Caitlyn Jenner in a photo spread for Vanity Fair. The now-famous photo featured Jenner, heavily made up, photoshopped, wearing a Trashy Lingerie-brand corset, splashed classical Hollywood ingénue-style across the cover. Media quickly compared Jenner with Jessica Lange and Geena Davis.

The photo itself seems a contradiction of the argument for Jenner’s gender redefinition. The notion that gender is completely fluid – that a man can become a woman and a woman can become a man – rests on the redefinition of maleness and femaleness into nothingness. The media insist that everyone use female pronouns to describe Jenner, who still has male genitalia, male genetics, and male brain structures. Presumably the media would feel the same even had Jenner not had massive facial reconstruction surgery or even hormone therapy.

Furthermore, the media claim that womanhood is completely disconnected from biology or what they term the societal construct of femininity. Women without breasts are still women; women without vaginas are still women; women without the genetics of women are still women. Linking stereotypical feminine beauty with womanhood is sexist; linking childbearing with womanhood is sexist.

In other words, gender does not exist apart from a society that defines it, in the view of the media and the left. Gender, it turns out, is all in one’s head, and therefore can be shifted at will.

Yet the photo of Jenner gives the lie to that notion. The photo is deliberately constructed to play off traditional notions of female beauty. The photo is a deliberate takeoff on the cheesecake photos of the 1950s. It’s intended not just to make Jenner into a woman, but a sexy woman ready to engage — hence the use of lingerie, even though Jenner has already said he doesn’t know whether he will choose to have sex with men or women or both or neither (another bizarrely accepted notion from the same folks who say that sexual orientation is inborn and never chosen). The picture does not depict the new Jenner in all his gender-fluid glory – it doesn’t show Jenner’s male crotch-bulge, or Jenner’s broad Olympic-winning physique (Jenner’s arms are conveniently placed behind the back, minimizing the arms and shoulders of the former gold medal-winner).

It turns out that when a pro-transgenderism magazine wants to convey femininity and femaleness, it falls back on all the same gender stereotypes Jenner is supposedly overcoming. It turns out, in fact, that in order for Jenner’s story to make any sort of sense – in order for a transition from gender to gender to be meaningful – there must be a Point A (male) and there must be a Point B (female). But that would require definition of Point A and Point B, any objective criteria of which would make transition from one to the other impossible.

Which, of course, it is. A male cannot magically become a female simply by injecting estrogen, reshaping the jawline, or inserting silicon beneath the skin of the chest. All of the straight male politicians and media members currently babbling on about how Jenner is a “she” ought to be asked whether they would now be capable of having sex with him. The answer, of course, is no – and the answer would be no different were Jenner to remove his genitalia.

Being a female is more than injections and plastic surgery, and even those who purport to believe Jenner is now a female recognize that, or hold the utterly incoherent position that genders are completely subjective and impossible to objectively define, but that we can objectively recognize transitions between them – and that those who refuse to submit to the delusions of the mentally ill must be denounced as intolerant and unscientific.

Ben Shapiro is Senior Editor-At-Large of Breitbart News and author of the book, The People vs. Barack Obama: The Criminal Case Against The Obama Administration (Threshold Editions, June 10, 2014). Follow Ben Shapiro on Twitter @benshapiro

[mazeman]

SoCal, that was a fascinating read.

[SoCal]

When I read this, all those memories came flooding back. Bruce will NEVER be a woman, just a man with mental problems.



When I look at the glamorous pictures of Bruce Jenner dolled up as Caitlyn, with his flowing locks, long lashes, plump lips, and full breasts, I have to laugh. Not at him, but at the irony of it. What Jenner seems to have achieved with a lot of money, cosmetic surgeons, and talented makeup artists, I wanted desperately as a young girl and had to suffer through years of natural—and sometimes humiliating—development to attain.


You see, I wasn’t a very pretty girl. Actually, I looked like a boy. (I know, the irony.) We lived in a military town, and my mom used to take me to the barber on the base to get my hair cut. She would drop me off at the shop where I’d sit alongside Marines who were either coming or going to Vietnam. I remember how big they seemed, how strong, how brave. Trying hard not to make eye contact, I would slump in the chair and face the mirror. A thin, freckled boyish face stared back at me.






I can still smell the shaving cream and Windex that hung heavy in the warm, sticky air, and hear the whirr of a corner fan that sent hair tumbling across the floor and the buzz of electric razors that left heads shaven high and tight. Without a word, the barber would chop my hair, dust the back of my neck, shake off the cape, and send me on my way. I hated it. I hated being the only girl in the place. I felt small and fragile next to the Marines with their mile-long stares, jagged scars, and missing limbs. But my parents didn’t think much of nurturing femininity, so they insisted I go. It didn’t matter that I was just a girl.


After every haircut, I would go home and pull on a stocking hat that I’d gotten for Christmas. It didn’t matter whether it was summer or winter. I’d always wear it. It had a yellow tassel at the end, and I would toss it over my shoulder as if it were a braid of long golden hair. I loved how it felt down my back. After having read “The Lord of Rings” countless times, I would imagine my luxurious hair falling over pointed ears, my perfect skin shining, my eyebrows slanted upward over blue, sparkling eyes. I would pull on a sheet and tie it around my neck as if it were a cloak. I was an elf from Rivendell. Gentle, strong, and beautiful. That was my fantasy.


Of course, my mom made me take my stocking hat off before I went out to play. “It’s silly to wear that thing,” she would say. Off I’d go, climbing trees with the boys in the neighborhood, picking hornworms from tobacco plants in a nearby field, and building forts in vacant lots. As I chased fireflies and romped through the woods, I would forget my hair. But then I’d glance in the mirror as I cleaned my dirty hands and be reminded of just how plain, how boyish I really looked, and I’d pull the stocking hat back on.


The Trial of Growing Into Womanhood

Such are the trials of growing up as a girl, of longing to be a beautiful woman. My hair was only part of it. I was a tomboy, flat-chested and skinny. I thought of that as I listened to commentators go on and on about Jenner’s perfect breasts. “How sexy, how perky, how lovely,” they gushed. How nice for Bruce not to suffer the indignities of developing real breasts. Some girls develop early, others develop late. There’s the teasing, the awkwardness, the silliness. We endure it. It’s all part of a girl becoming a woman.


There’s the teasing, the awkwardness, the silliness. We endure it. It’s all part of a girl becoming a woman.

My development was particularly humiliating. While all my friends had developed nice, full breasts early, my boyish looks held fast—until the little buds began to grow in middle school. The thing was, with me, they didn’t exactly grow evenly. The right one developed before the left one. I was painfully self-conscious about it, and would wrap myself with tape when my mom had me wear a fitted shirt. Not knowing much about such things, I became convinced something was terribly wrong with me and that I probably had breast cancer. I wanted to tell my mom, but I was too ashamed. So I kept silent, keeping my worries to myself.


That changed when I became sick with bronchitis, and my mom took me to the hospital on the base where a corpsman asked me to remove my shirt so he could listen to me breathe. Sheer panic took over. I started crying hysterically and refused to take off my shirt. The corpsman asked my mom to leave the room. After several questions about whether I’d been abused, I told him the truth. “I have breast cancer, and I’m going to die,” I sobbed.


Looking back, I realize now how kind and patient the corpsman was. He took his time examining me as if I might have cancer. Then he told me to put my shirt on. “You don’t have cancer,” he said gently. “You’re just growing up, becoming a woman. Sometimes both sides don’t develop at the same time. It’s normal. They’ll eventually even out. Nothing to be afraid of.” He asked my mom to step into the room and explained what was wrong. He put his hand on her shoulder and said, “Mom, I think it’s time to buy this young lady a bra.”


My mother was horrified, and she felt like a complete failure as a mom. Of course, she wasn’t. How could she have known what I was going through, since I didn’t say anything? We laugh about it to this day, and it’s a running joke in our family, but it’s part of life, part of a girl becoming a woman.


Surgery Can’t Give Bruce Jenner XX Chromosomes

Not every girl has such an embarrassing story, but each one remembers. They know what it’s like to grow up and become a woman, and those experiences are integral to shaping their feminine identity—and an identity that is rooted in their nature, in their genes, not in their fantasies. It’s something no transgender man can ever know. He might become an imitation of woman with artificial breasts and hormone injections, but he will never be a girl who became a woman—and that is all the difference in the world.


Bruce Jenner will never know what it’s like to wait expectantly for that first period.

He will never know what it’s like to wait expectantly for that first period. Like everything else with me, things didn’t develop quite as I’d imagined; mine was late in coming. All my friends had started, but I was going into high school with no period. Then one summer day, as I was getting ready to attend a wedding, the magic happened. My heart raced, and my face flushed. I was so relieved, so happy. I was finally a woman like my friends. I wasn’t destined to be a freak like I was afraid I’d become. At one point, I even thought I was going to become a man, and I regularly checked my chin for stubble. But those worries were gone, and my monthly reminder of being a woman began.


That early delight faded pretty quickly as the pain and drudgery of menstruation set in. I had heavy flows, cramps, and lots of accidents. The worst was in ninth grade, when I was sitting beside a boy I liked at school. It was an extended class because we were testing that day. I was wearing blue slacks and had lost count of my days between periods. As I sat there, pink-cheeked and stealing glances at the boy next to me, I felt that sudden warm flow, and knew I had to get to the bathroom. I raised my hand, and the teacher excused me.


When I got there, I realized I had leaked all the way through. Thankfully, my mom worked at the school, and she went home to get me a change of clothes. When I returned to the classroom and approached my seat, I looked down in horror to see blood smeared on it, now dry and browning. The girl who sat behind me snickered, and the boy wouldn’t look at me. I considered that a kindness. I sat down and tried to clean it off with my palms. I never looked at that boy the same way again.


Jenner won’t have to endure such humiliations. He’ll never know what it’s like to be a girl, to bravely face the realities, not the fantasies, of nature. He won’t know the joys, either. The comfort of a girl resting in her father’s strong arms. The sweetness a woman feels when her husband makes love to her and they create life together. The soft movements of a child as she or he grows inside her womb. The peace she feels as she feeds her baby at her breast, having given life and now sustaining it.


The celebration of Jenner “becoming a woman” is a fantasy. It’s artificial. It’s make-believe. It’s not authentic at all. It’s a mirage. Jenner has always fantasized that he’s a woman, dreaming of the possibilities of becoming what he imagines himself to be. But possibilities in life are only fantasies when they aren’t rooted in something real. You can’t become a woman without being a girl, complete with XX chromosomes that determine our sex. The man posing as a woman on the cover of Vanity Fair is a delusional mockery of every woman who knows what it’s like to be a girl with all the pains, humiliations, and joys of actually growing up and becoming a woman—and each one of us, in different ways, has faced it bravely through every stage.



Denise C. McAllister is a journalist based in Charlotte, NC, and a senior contributor to The Federalist.

[avp60685]

I admit that he has always looked a tad feminine but saying and changing one's appearance don't make it so!

Okay I admit it, I was tomboyish growing up yet I wore frilly dresses to church, special occasions, etc. It is only recently I started wearing makeup more and trying dressing more feminine and less tomboyish but I still have a tomboyish attitude and spirit.

What do I mean by this?

Let me explain, I can talk sports talk like guys do ( I am still way competitive in playing plus I pitch way better than most guys in playing baseball), I spit like a guy, I don't frighten easily (proof of this is me being the only female who played zombie laser tag back on Halloween weekend last year and getting the antidote with no zombie infection!), I have a strong stomach when it comes to watching horror-gruesome-violent movies, I know my way around tools and cars ( my dad had me help him repair his on numerous occasions), I like wearing guy shirts (mostly t-shirts that are solid colored), I can fit guy pants better than girl ones, I sleep in guy pajamas when weather is cold, I have a tough attitude when it comes to facing opposition, injustice, etc., I know how to hit and defend myself if need be, I know more how a computer works than most people because my dad taught me a lot about it and I know how to trash talk if need be.

Even though I can look cute and whatnot, I just warn you, do not cross me, do not underestimate me, do not mistake my femaleness for weakness!

[jamesottosweethart]

Jun 2, 2015 13:45:59 GMT -5 SoCal said:

He can take all the hormones he wants and surgically alter himself (ick) but when his corpse is dug up 500 years from now, scientists will classify him as a male. He's got serious mental problems and the money to pretend he's something that he isn't.

Ya can't change DNA

Amen!!!

God bless you always!!!

Holly

[Deleted]

People have a right to live how they see fit without being bullied, and told that they’re a disgrace. If God judges their choices as wrong, then he can judge them when the time comes. But I will not treat someone badly when they’re not doing anyone harm or judge how they live if it makes them happy.

[mazeman]

Jun 6, 2015 22:35:34 GMT -5 @smallvillian0 said:

People have a right to live how they see fit without being bullied, and told that they’re a disgrace. If God judges their choices as wrong, then he can judge them when the time comes. But I will not treat someone badly when they’re not doing anyone harm or judge how they live if it makes them happy.

Well said BadWolf!

[SoCal]

We ALL judge people all the time. That's pretty much how we decide whether or not we like someone, or decide to end a friendship. If I judge that someone acts in a way that bothers me or demonstrates odd behavior, well, hey, I've passed judgement.

[Aeryn]

Jun 6, 2015 22:35:34 GMT -5 @smallvillian0 said:

People have a right to live how they see fit without being bullied, and told that they’re a disgrace. If God judges their choices as wrong, then he can judge them when the time comes. But I will not treat someone badly when they’re not doing anyone harm or judge how they live if it makes them happy.

I wouldn't treat them badly....I believe that as long as what you're doing doesn't fuck with MY world, go for it.

But I definitely will judge them. This is how I am. Not going to lie about it.

And truthfully, I have nothing against Bruce's choice. It's all the fucking liberal types on Twitter....how DARE they persecute people who don't agree that "Caitlyn" is gorgeous. It's a fucking witch hunt, fueled by the media. I DON'T agree with THAT.

You've read "The Emperor's New Clothes"? If not, google it.

[Deleted]

Judge all you like. Just giving my thoughts on the situation.

[jamesottosweethart]

Jun 8, 2015 14:45:32 GMT -5 SoCal said:

We ALL judge people all the time. That's pretty much how we decide whether or not we like someone, or decide to end a friendship. If I judge that someone acts in a way that bothers me or demonstrates odd behavior, well, hey, I've passed judgement.

Amen to this too. Everyone has their preferences when it comes to any situation.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

[Deleted]

Lol I love how everyone was fine in here until I had a different opinion and didn't totally trash Bruces decision. Lovely

[SoCal]

No problem, BadWolf. We really do like you! Sometimes when discussing a polarizing subject voices become a little strident.

I suppose it's been something that has always bothered me a bit.....when someone says, "Don't judge me." It's in people's nature to judge others: whether we like how they conduct themselves or by the language they use, even by their facial expressions. It's just a loaded phrase.

BTW, those who seem to be pro-new Bruce Jenner don't mind judging those who don't care for his in-your-face multi-media persona. Just look at the number of people who felt pushed to apologize for expressing their not-so-acceptance of the whole episode.

Looks like there's lots of judgin' goin' on out there, hmmmmmmm?

[Aeryn]

Jun 9, 2015 16:03:12 GMT -5 @smallvillian0 said:

Lol I love how everyone was fine in here until I had a different opinion and didn't totally trash Bruces decision. Lovely

Lisa, everyone wasn't "fine" in here. What are you talking about?

[KyleEl]

Jun 5, 2015 10:24:16 GMT -5 avp60685 said:

Let me explain, I can talk sports talk like guys do ( I am still way competitive in playing plus I pitch way better than most guys in playing baseball), I spit like a guy, I don't frighten easily (proof of this is me being the only female who played zombie laser tag back on Halloween weekend last year and getting the antidote with no zombie infection!), I have a strong stomach when it comes to watching horror-gruesome-violent movies, I know my way around tools and cars ( my dad had me help him repair his on numerous occasions), I like wearing guy shirts (mostly t-shirts that are solid colored), I can fit guy pants better than girl ones, I sleep in guy pajamas when weather is cold, I have a tough attitude when it comes to facing opposition, injustice, etc., I know how to hit and defend myself if need be, I know more how a computer works than most people because my dad taught me a lot about it and I know how to trash talk if need be.

I've never liked talking about sports or participating in them or watching them. I do frighten easily and don't care for horror movies and don't know anything about tools or cars. And I've never gotten really comfortable with computers.

On the other hand, I like romantic comedies and Broadway showtunes and pretty colors.

But that doesn't mean what you think it means. I'd rather look at the Caitlyn picture than Bruce as an athlete with his shirt off.

[SoCal]

[mazeman]

Tye article was interesting.......

[KyleEl]

Two votes last week related to gays.

For one, the more controversial one, I was told someone said there would be no discussion, and this was approved. It would have been interesting. While it is just a statement by Western North Carolina Methodists, it relates to removing language relating to gays in official church policy. There had to be several counts and this took a long time because they weren't sure the counts were accurate. The petition was finally defeated.

The other vote went the other way. It related to discussing our differences, including on LGBT issues. I heard one of the speeches against (speeches are limited to three minutes and there can be two for and two against, or in some cases three of each). The man said some people think the Bible is irrelevant today, but he did not. He said there was nothing to discuss. If he was wrong he had to answer for it. But if supporters were wrong they had to answer for it. The bishop supported this and it was easy to see by a show of hands that it passed.

[Kimba116]

Jun 6, 2015 22:35:34 GMT -5 @smallvillian0 said:

People have a right to live how they see fit without being bullied, and told that they’re a disgrace. If God judges their choices as wrong, then he can judge them when the time comes. But I will not treat someone badly when they’re not doing anyone harm or judge how they live if it makes them happy.

Well put.

I might have posted something similar to that but i'm too chicken.


Also, i've always felt that those individuals that decide to change their sex are actually gay that want the body parts to go with the right sex. And it's not always about "being born the wrong sex" like what most of the transsexuals want us to believe, but rather them changing themselves and their identities in order to fit in with society. Whether or not they do is up for debate but that's another story. I'm not going to hold it against anyone because it's their life to live but i'm certainly not going to be seeking them out either.

[jamesottosweethart]

To me this song says everything.



God bless you and Aaron always!!!

Holly

[AntiArbitrator]

Jun 26, 2015 17:22:29 GMT -5 jamesottosweethart said:

To me this song says everything.



God bless you and Aaron always!!!

Holly

Excellent message.

[Kimba116]

I heard this song on the radio the other day and feel it's only fitting that it belongs in this thread. Enjoy.

[KyleEl]

They want a woman to appear on the $10 bill. It appears that woman will be Caitlyn Hamilton.

[SoCal]

I identify as blond-haired and blue-eyed. Don't be fooled by my brown hair and hazel eyes.

[KyleEl]

Jul 6, 2015 15:44:36 GMT -5 SoCal said:

I identify as blond-haired and blue-eyed. Don't be fooled by my brown hair and hazel eyes.

Where can I see your photo?

[SoCal]

According to the nutcases out there, photos and DNA shouldn't matter. All that counts is how I feel and what I think.

[Deleted]

Ha ha ha ha ha