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Post by mazeman on May 11, 2012 11:23:20 GMT -5
So... what do you think about what Obama said?
Should our country allow same-sex marriage?
Do you agree with him?
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Post by tanmi on May 11, 2012 12:11:48 GMT -5
I believe it is the right thing to do. I don't suffer with religious ideologies.
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Post by avp60685 on May 11, 2012 12:13:06 GMT -5
I disagree but I do know that it's a bit too late to do much to stop it, there are very few states that don't support it!
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Post by Kimba116 on May 11, 2012 12:30:04 GMT -5
I think it should be determined by the state. While i don't agree w/that lifestyle i'm not going criticize those that do.  It is a free country after all.  Some states are more tolerable than others therefor it should be more determined by local/government then a country-wide bill. |
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Post by avp60685 on May 11, 2012 12:33:43 GMT -5
I think some states are more free spirited than others!
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Post by 3sheets2thewind on May 11, 2012 12:50:42 GMT -5
I support civil rights for everyone.
Marriage has changed over the course of history from having ones parents arraign marriages for their children to marrying for love.
Marriage between only one man and one woman is still very new in history as many different cultures and religious still have many wives and some women are allowed to have more then one husband.
The excuses given in not supporting gay marriage are the same ones given when marriage between the races were not allowed and it took an act of the Supreme Court to remove the laws banning mixed marriage Virginia Vs. Loving.
Civil rights and gay rights can not be determined by the states or by the popular vote it has to be determined by law.
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Post by jamesottosweethart on May 11, 2012 20:55:57 GMT -5
While i don't agree w/that lifestyle i'm not going criticize those that do. ![]() It is a free country after all. That is where I am pretty much about the subject. I go by what I believe the Lord says about it, but I am not about to get too far into the conversation over it again because I know what doing so can lead to and right now I am not willing to go there just yet. Maybe later at some point, but not right now. I am sure that everyone here has seen what would come from me at least one time in their life anyways. What some people do seem to forget though is that everyone is free when they are in this country and not just a select few.  God bless you always!!! Holly |
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Post by smolderhalder67 on May 11, 2012 21:54:42 GMT -5
I think it was the absolute right thing to do, but I hate that he's obviously just doing it to bring in more voters. I wish Obama would've grew a backbone earlier, and actually lived up to all his promises instead of giving into Republicans time and time again.
IMO everyone has a right to get married. And what a lot of highly religious people fail to realize is that most gay individuals want to have the right to get married for the benefit it offers to them and their spouses, where if they were not married they would not have the same rights as married couples, or relatives.
You don't have to agree with it, but they're not harming anyone by getting married. No one is threatening your marriage
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Post by Mistermoonlight on May 11, 2012 22:07:01 GMT -5
Put me on the Pro side of this. I've got gay friends who are much more loving and devoted to one another than many heterosexual couples I know. Anything that promotes more love in the world is a good thing to me.
Some things are important enough that they should be national in scope. Just look at how many states fought against voting rights for women and African Americans.
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Post by mazeman on May 12, 2012 14:30:41 GMT -5
Fascinating replies, my friends..... and each one of them was intelligently phrased. I hope this thread keeps going.... We are a nation that is open for debate. It is OK if you do not agree...... it is OK if you agree.... .... what is MOST important is that you have an OPINION of your OWN. ![]() |
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Post by Aeryn on May 12, 2012 14:59:54 GMT -5
I think it was the absolute right thing to do, but I hate that he's obviously just doing it to bring in more voters. I wish Obama would've grew a backbone earlier, and actually lived up to all his promises instead of giving into Republicans time and time again. IMO everyone has a right to get married. And what a lot of highly religious people fail to realize is that most gay individuals want to have the right to get married for the benefit it offers to them and their spouses, where if they were not married they would not have the same rights as married couples, or relatives. You don't have to agree with it, but they're not harming anyone by getting married. No one is threatening your marriage Obama has always been an idiot. The only reason he got elected was because some people thought it was time for a black President. Seriously, I regret that Colin Powell wasn't running! He would have been awesome!! As for the issue at hand...I don't agree that gay marriage should be allowed. Nope. Not now. Not ever. I'm not overly religious, not at all. But I feel that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. |
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Post by troubledpenguin on May 12, 2012 15:21:14 GMT -5
Talking politics gives me gas.
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Post by Aeryn on May 12, 2012 15:24:10 GMT -5
You already had gas. |
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Post by troubledpenguin on May 12, 2012 16:00:02 GMT -5
You know all my secrets, don't you?
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Post by Aeryn on May 12, 2012 16:03:48 GMT -5
Nope. I'm mostly just guessing.
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Post by troubledpenguin on May 12, 2012 16:04:45 GMT -5
Oh, okay. I'm disappointed though.
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Post by Kimba116 on May 12, 2012 17:57:15 GMT -5
While i don't agree w/that lifestyle i'm not going criticize those that do. ![]() It is a free country after all. That is where I am pretty much about the subject. I go by what I believe the Lord says about it, but I am not about to get too far into the conversation over it again because I know what doing so can lead to and right now I am not willing to go there just yet. Maybe later at some point, but not right now. I am sure that everyone here has seen what would come from me at least one time in their life anyways. What some people do seem to forget though is that everyone is free when they are in this country and not just a select few. God bless you always!!! Holly ![]() Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think it was the absolute right thing to do, but I hate that he's obviously just doing it to bring in more voters. I wish Obama would've grew a backbone earlier, and actually lived up to all his promises instead of giving into Republicans time and time again. IMO everyone has a right to get married. And what a lot of highly religious people fail to realize is that most gay individuals want to have the right to get married for the benefit it offers to them and their spouses, where if they were not married they would not have the same rights as married couples, or relatives. You don't have to agree with it, but they're not harming anyone by getting married. No one is threatening your marriage Great post Lisa.  I believe that marriage is in fact between a man and a woman. Civil unions however is the phrase that i prefer to use. But yes, why should they be punished for loving (or being) who they are? They really shouldn't. In fact, they get critisized for it enough as it is. |
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Post by Mistermoonlight on May 12, 2012 19:14:36 GMT -5
Fascinating replies, my friends..... and each one of them was intelligently phrased. I hope this thread keeps going.... We are a nation that is open for debate. It is OK if you do not agree...... it is OK if you agree.... .... what is MOST important is that you have an OPINION of your OWN. ![]() I'm not religious, but I will say 'amen' to this. There are so many folks out there wanting to shape your opinion for their own reasons. I've always said there are at least 7 sides to each issue. Investigate them all, then make your mind up. Don't limit yourself to just one source. |
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Post by mercurytheatre on May 12, 2012 20:32:18 GMT -5
While i don't agree w/that lifestyle i'm not going criticize those that do. ![]() It is a free country after all. That is where I am pretty much about the subject. I go by what I believe the Lord says about it, but I am not about to get too far into the conversation over it again because I know what doing so can lead to and right now I am not willing to go there just yet. Maybe later at some point, but not right now. I am sure that everyone here has seen what would come from me at least one time in their life anyways. What some people do seem to forget though is that everyone is free when they are in this country and not just a select few. God bless you always!!! Holly HOLLY!!!!....It is me...timmy  I am glad to have found you here  |
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Post by mercurytheatre on May 12, 2012 20:35:49 GMT -5
" Anything that involves love between two people is good"Not an exact quote...because I could not find it....but it is essentially what John Lennon said to Brian Epstein....... ...and I agree.... ![]() |
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Post by HarleyQuinn on May 13, 2012 8:47:35 GMT -5
I am a supporter. I believe everyone should have the equal opportunity to be miserable as some marriages turn out to be. And yes I have had two marriages that were totally miserable.
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Post by jamesottosweethart on May 13, 2012 15:50:34 GMT -5
That is where I am pretty much about the subject. I go by what I believe the Lord says about it, but I am not about to get too far into the conversation over it again because I know what doing so can lead to and right now I am not willing to go there just yet. Maybe later at some point, but not right now. I am sure that everyone here has seen what would come from me at least one time in their life anyways. What some people do seem to forget though is that everyone is free when they are in this country and not just a select few. God bless you always!!! Holly HOLLY!!!!....It is me...timmy ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I am glad to have found you here ![]() Hey! How do you know me? Where have you seen my messages and what name did you go by over there? God bless you always!!! Holly |
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Post by Watchtower on May 13, 2012 17:33:43 GMT -5
Hey! How do you know me? Where have you seen my messages and what name did you go by over there? God bless you always!!! Holly Holly, God bless ya and I hope we can get to know each other better! Timmy went by amnesiavictim at the CW... he goes by many names here.  |
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Post by jamesottosweethart on May 13, 2012 20:45:13 GMT -5
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Post by Mistermoonlight on May 13, 2012 22:01:07 GMT -5
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Post by Watchtower on May 13, 2012 22:12:34 GMT -5
While i don't agree w/that lifestyle i'm not going criticize those that do. ![]() It is a free country after all. That is where I am pretty much about the subject. I go by what I believe the Lord says about it, but I am not about to get too far into the conversation over it again because I know what doing so can lead to and right now I am not willing to go there just yet. Maybe later at some point, but not right now. I am sure that everyone here has seen what would come from me at least one time in their life anyways. What some people do seem to forget though is that everyone is free when they are in this country and not just a select few. God bless you always!!! Holly Honestly, I've been trying to find the right words to express how I feel about the subject, but Holly has said it so perfectly, this is where I stand as well. I honestly do not judge... my oldest friend... one whom I knew since I was 10 (then we lost touch as this was the pre-facebook days then to be back in contact ten years later) is gay and she is already married and honestly, I am jealous of their love. Their love (from what I've seen) is far better than any I've seen from friends who are straight, even better than my own parents! |
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Post by jamesottosweethart on May 13, 2012 23:52:55 GMT -5
^^^ I don't judge either, but I have seen others in the past say online that I do when all that I am really doing is letting the Lord's word be known because that is what the Lord wants us to do and that is share his word with those who don't know about it. Its a person's choice whether they want to live by his word, like he wants us all to do, or not. God bless you always!!! Holly |
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Post by ashley on May 14, 2012 0:14:04 GMT -5
Im Christian so im a little mixed on how I feel but they should have the same rights there still people. I hvae a cuz whos openly gay and he and his boyfriend are awesome. I just spent my whole life knowing marriage is between a man and woman maybe if they called it a union and not marriage
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Post by KyleEl on May 14, 2012 14:27:51 GMT -5
The Fox affiliate is the only station in my area that I can count on to give me the low and the high (because the attitude is that people know this and want to know the forecast, other stations will do that only if there was something remarkable about either one or if there's just not anything else to talk about), so if I am not watching the TV with cable and the VCR at the time, I record the part of the 10:00 newscast that has the weather in it.
One night I saw this pretty church as I rewound, so I decided to see what was going on. It was a church I had driven past a number of time. It has a sign out front welcoming LGBT. Now the United Church of Christ is known for this, and a couple of United Church of Christ churches in my area have supposedly split over this issue. The report was about their efforts to reach these people and give them a welcoming atmosphere.
I can't say I'm comfortable with any of this, but for those who say loving and accepting are more important than obeying some rules which also say you can't wear the clothes I wear or eat shellfish, then it must be all right.
As for what Paul said that makes this a bigger deal than dietary rules and such, I was reading that the Greek words were mis-translated.
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