How will the boys handle their loss? *spoiler*

[benson35]

I just wanted to start a conversation on how the boys will handle the loss of their uncle Bobby.

Someone we now know they spent more than a bit of time with in their youth and have forged a very close relationship now.

Dependancy, love, trust, friendship, fatherly, co-worker in the trenches....

I wonder how the two of them will cope together and then how they will cope individually. As one keeps it all in and the other likes to talk. But both like to protect the other like Sammy with his Lucifer visions.

Its going to be a bumpy ride and I hope we see them deal with it in the way we felt it with their father.

[chloekins]

I hope it unites them more at the least. I'm sick of them refusing to talk about what each of them is dealing with supposedly because they are protecting the other. They need to be honest with each other about everything now because they have nobody but each other to rely on.

I hope this is the jolt that breaks Dean out of his funk and gets him fighting mad to take on the big Dick.

[Aeryn]

I think the loss will benefit their relationship. Now, they must rely on each other, without any help from Bobby.

If anything, I certainly hope this situation will bring them back together like the old days. I'm tired of all the separations. Sam with Ruby, Dean with Lisa, Dean with Cas...the only characters I want to see in this show are Sam, Dean, and Baby.

[percysowner]

I want it to bring them together. I want it to get Dean fighting again. I want it to throw Sam off balance enough that we finally see fallout from the wall coming down. I expect to see Dean falling apart and angry and Sam pressing his hand a lot. I'm cynical.

[Rose]

Jan 4, 2012 9:28:16 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

I think the loss will benefit their relationship. Now, they must rely on each other, without any help from Bobby.

If anything, I certainly hope this situation will bring them back together like the old days. I'm tired of all the separations. Sam with Ruby, Dean with Lisa, Dean with Cas...the only characters I want to see in this show are Sam, Dean, and Baby.

I couldn't have said this better myself. I love Bobby. I do. Everybody knows I do, and I'm most likely going to be as devastated this Friday over his loss as I was last Friday during the episode, but I really want to see this bring the boys together. I think that it will be beneficial for their relationship.

From what I could gather from the bits released about this Friday's ep, it looks like Sam and Dean split up and in doing so, Sam gets kidnapped and hurt with Dean to the rescue. Maybe this will finally slap Dean in the face and wake him up and make him realize that Sam is all he has now and he is all Sam has now. Get that Dean Winchester badass, fighting spirit back already! I miss it!

I'd also like to see some sort of breakdown from Sam in regards to Hell, Lucifer and the wall coming down. I think it'd be another way to bring the brothers closer since they now can relate on some levels of what the other has been through now.

[isitfridayyet]

Am I alone in thinking Bobby isn't dead?

[SoCal]

Jan 4, 2012 13:49:16 GMT -5 isitfridayyet said:

Am I alone in thinking Bobby isn't dead?

Yeah......didn't Jim write something about not worrying about some character who "seemed" to be dead? I really like the Bobby character, but would be happy to see him a little less so that the boys would be more the focus of the show.
I'm so conflicted!!

[percysowner]

Jan 4, 2012 14:00:13 GMT -5 SoCal said:

Jan 4, 2012 13:49:16 GMT -5 isitfridayyet said:

Am I alone in thinking Bobby isn't dead?

Yeah......didn't Jim write something about not worrying about some character who "seemed" to be dead? I really like the Bobby character, but would be happy to see him a little less so that the boys would be more the focus of the show.
I'm so conflicted!!

I do think it's possible that Bobby isn't dead, but I also think that he will be out of commission for a good long while, either in a coma or trying to come back from a bullet in his head. With the Leviathans on their tails, the boys may not be able to contact or care for Bobby. That would be a loss as well.

[chloekins]

Jan 4, 2012 14:07:50 GMT -5 percysowner said:

Jan 4, 2012 14:00:13 GMT -5 SoCal said:

Yeah......didn't Jim write something about not worrying about some character who "seemed" to be dead? I really like the Bobby character, but would be happy to see him a little less so that the boys would be more the focus of the show.
I'm so conflicted!!

I do think it's possible that Bobby isn't dead, but I also think that he will be out of commission for a good long while, either in a coma or trying to come back from a bullet in his head. With the Leviathans on their tails, the boys may not be able to contact or care for Bobby. That would be a loss as well.

I agree with you Percy. I think Bobby will live but won't be able to help the guys due to his severe injury. I wonder if he'll have amnesia.

[cahtie]

Ugh, still in pain about this. I have no idea if Bobby's actually gone or not, but we at the very least know that Sam and Dean are on their own for a while, since Jim hasn't been filming new eps. I don't know if Sam and Dean purposefully separated here, or if it was just circumstances tore them apart for part of this episode. I would /love/ to see some of the old Dean coming back, though with everything he's gone through, I don't know if that's really possible. Old Dean was, at least to me, very different then the Dean we have now, who so closely resembles Future!Dean it's painful.

I'd love, love, love to see some more of Sam's hell, and what he must be going through. I don't care if they can get Luci's actor back or not, there's /tons/ of material to show us outside Luci!nations.

[percysowner]

Jan 4, 2012 18:50:23 GMT -5 cahtie said:

Ugh, still in pain about this. I have no idea if Bobby's actually gone or not, but we at the very least know that Sam and Dean are on their own for a while, since Jim hasn't been filming new eps. I don't know if Sam and Dean purposefully separated here, or if it was just circumstances tore them apart for part of this episode. I would /love/ to see some of the old Dean coming back, though with everything he's gone through, I don't know if that's really possible. Old Dean was, at least to me, very different then the Dean we have now, who so closely resembles Future!Dean it's painful.

I'd love, love, love to see some more of Sam's hell, and what he must be going through. I don't care if they can get Luci's actor back or not, there's /tons/ of material to show us outside Luci!nations.

They don't have to get MP back. They already had Sam hallucinate that Lucifer took Dean's form. Why not go that way? Jensen gets to play evil without Dean being evil. We get Sam's hallucinations and all is good.

[cahtie]

Jan 4, 2012 19:15:11 GMT -5 percysowner said:

Jan 4, 2012 18:50:23 GMT -5 cahtie said:

Ugh, still in pain about this. I have no idea if Bobby's actually gone or not, but we at the very least know that Sam and Dean are on their own for a while, since Jim hasn't been filming new eps. I don't know if Sam and Dean purposefully separated here, or if it was just circumstances tore them apart for part of this episode. I would /love/ to see some of the old Dean coming back, though with everything he's gone through, I don't know if that's really possible. Old Dean was, at least to me, very different then the Dean we have now, who so closely resembles Future!Dean it's painful.

I'd love, love, love to see some more of Sam's hell, and what he must be going through. I don't care if they can get Luci's actor back or not, there's /tons/ of material to show us outside Luci!nations.

They don't have to get MP back. They already had Sam hallucinate that Lucifer took Dean's form. Why not go that way? Jensen gets to play evil without Dean being evil. We get Sam's hallucinations and all is good.

Yes, this please! Evil Jensen is so ..so sexy.

[benson35]

I'd love Lucifer to use Dean to mess with Sams head again. It works and it brings emotion from both boys. Use the family, use somthing to get the emotion from.

Damn I think the clip of AiB really has done a number on me...did not expect that to advertise an episode after the last emotion filled episode for the boys. CRAP. Wheres the emotion. Again the boys emotion seems to be sidelined until some random secondary character can have an episode to show his/hers instead. I don't get it.

[percysowner]

Jan 4, 2012 20:37:09 GMT -5 benson35 said:

I'd love Lucifer to use Dean to mess with Sams head again. It works and it brings emotion from both boys. Use the family, use somthing to get the emotion from.

Damn I think the clip of AiB really has done a number on me...did not expect that to advertise an episode after the last emotion filled episode for the boys. CRAP. Wheres the emotion. Again the boys emotion seems to be sidelined until some random secondary character can have an episode to show his/hers instead. I don't get it.

I'm not happy with the clip, but I already knew that I don't like most of Adam Glass's episodes, so I wasn't expecting more. I hope it's better than I expect and I hope we do get emotion about whatever happened to Bobby. I also hope Sam has an actual role to play this season.

[benson35]

Jan 4, 2012 20:54:54 GMT -5 percysowner said:

Jan 4, 2012 20:37:09 GMT -5 benson35 said:

I'd love Lucifer to use Dean to mess with Sams head again. It works and it brings emotion from both boys. Use the family, use somthing to get the emotion from.

Damn I think the clip of AiB really has done a number on me...did not expect that to advertise an episode after the last emotion filled episode for the boys. CRAP. Wheres the emotion. Again the boys emotion seems to be sidelined until some random secondary character can have an episode to show his/hers instead. I don't get it.

I'm not happy with the clip, but I already knew that I don't like most of Adam Glass's episodes, so I wasn't expecting more. I hope it's better than I expect and I hope we do get emotion about whatever happened to Bobby. I also hope Sam has an actual role to play this season.

Well if we do get the emotion in parts what I don't get is that chose this clip to advertise after such an emotional episode and hiatus...I just dont' get that. Its blindsided most fans imo. We were ready for a real emotional episode.

We let the secondary characters have their say, their emotions and we sideline the boys emotion every time.

[cahtie]

Jan 4, 2012 20:57:59 GMT -5 benson35 said:

Jan 4, 2012 20:54:54 GMT -5 percysowner said:

I'm not happy with the clip, but I already knew that I don't like most of Adam Glass's episodes, so I wasn't expecting more. I hope it's better than I expect and I hope we do get emotion about whatever happened to Bobby. I also hope Sam has an actual role to play this season.

Well if we do get the emotion in parts what I don't get is that chose this clip to advertise after such an emotional episode and hiatus...I just dont' get that. Its blindsided most fans imo. We were ready for a real emotional episode.

We let the secondary characters have their say, their emotions and we sideline the boys emotion every time.

Again..this, exactly. This clip is so meh and offers us nothing, /why/ would they use it as a teaser? How do we go from the impact and power of Deaths Door to this second rate looking episode where even Jensen seems to be struggling with the lines. (Or he seemed to to me. Like he's starting to feel a little apathetic).

[benson35]

Jan 4, 2012 22:21:30 GMT -5 cahtie said:

Jan 4, 2012 20:57:59 GMT -5 benson35 said:

Well if we do get the emotion in parts what I don't get is that chose this clip to advertise after such an emotional episode and hiatus...I just dont' get that. Its blindsided most fans imo. We were ready for a real emotional episode.

We let the secondary characters have their say, their emotions and we sideline the boys emotion every time.

Again..this, exactly. This clip is so meh and offers us nothing, /why/ would they use it as a teaser? How do we go from the impact and power of Deaths Door to this second rate looking episode where even Jensen seems to be struggling with the lines. (Or he seemed to to me. Like he's starting to feel a little apathetic).

Well THIS too! This is wht they offer us after all that. We are supposed to be following these boys, following their fight, their angst and their lives and loves and losses. Ah...its like 'oh here we go'...and then 'huh, what, did I miss an episode or two?'. I just don't know why two things....why move on like this and why show us this clip?

So now where I was so ready for the next episode to be the fallout of some emotion between the boys mutually....I'm more oh o.k. meh!

[isitfridayyet]

IDK why..but the clip makes me think that Bobby is fine. Why would the boys be so apathetic if something horrible had happened to him? It makes no sense..but maybe that's why they showed that clip? They want us to think Bobby is fine?

Oh my poor head.

[KristinPhoenix]

I think that Bobby is...well NOT "fine" but alive, just out of commission until further notice.

I think Bobby is alive but he's going to have amnesia or be in a coma - the bullet melted away his memories - we know that.

BUT The brain is an amazing thing, it can heal itself, compensate for "dead" areas.

3 Reasons why I think Bobby's not dead:

1. I couldn't take it if Bobby was really gone for good. That would break my heart, I love Bobby.

2. The boys in the spoilers don't seem utterly emotionally destroyed, like I imagine they would be if Bobby WAS dead.

3. If Bobby was really gonna die, then why start something there between Bobby and Sherriff Mills? Killing Bobby would kinda end her plot arc and from what I've read, the J2 are supposed to be having scenes with her later.

So I think that Bobby's gonna wake up and not have any memories at all and the boys are gonna make the heartbreaking decision to "let him go" and live a normal life on a clean slate and ask Jodie to look after him.

Bobby's alive, Jodie is gonna be taking care of him and watching over him, until his brain heals/he gets his memory back.

They will let that Jodie/Bobby thing develop without Bobby's past holding him back like it did with Karen...and without his hunting holding him back like it did with Marcy...

Plus Jodie's a cop, she knows how to fire a gun, the boys probably gave her a run through of self-defense against Supernatural creatures and how to detect them in people.

AND she knows what hurts the Leviathan so if one shows up to finish off Bobby, she can protect him.

Plus that leaves the door open to bring Jim back as Bobby whenever they want to without killing him off.

[benson35]

I'm not really that concerned whether Bobby is alive or Dead I mean I hate that they had to use his story as a plot device....he's better than that. But its done now and it was emotional and the boys brought their A game and their emotion for each other and Bobby...it was beautiful.

And now this! All hiatus we've been talking about what they'd do. And we get them playing dress up and hijinks without EACH OTHER!! Talk about taking me out of the one thing that SPN is truly good at...bringing the tangible emotion through the boys.

[isitfridayyet]

Totally agree, Ben. I really hope this clip is a red herring of some sort and there is still a lot of emotional juicyness in the episode. I'm tired of feeling unsatisfied and left wanting more from the boys emotionally ESPECIALLY regarding Cas's death. I felt like we never found out how either of the boys truly felt about losing him. Sure they threw his name around once or twice but...I can't help but be left wanting more. And NOW it looks like they're doing the same thing with Bobby?? Ohhh I hope not.

[benson35]

I hope not also. I think both boys deserve better treatement in their stories than that if only to move them forward with each other and in how they deal with things going on around them.

They need to look to the future and I'd like to see them deal with the past and move forward. I'd also like to see how they help each other through this. They handle things differently and they are more grown up now.

I think they've dealt with Castiel imo. He got his say, they presumably got theirs. He betrayed them, its done. I don't know if he's in the same vain as Bobby or Dad or each other. Its not like he really was around he same as all of them like emotional support, past history loss.

But its not about him either its about how the boys deal with things. How they help each other through things, whether anger, angst, drink, talking to Lucifer.

We seem to ignore how all of that for a few scenes an episode. I'd love them to of made THAT an episode. Another perfect opportunity to put a few things to rest. Like Sams hand, Dean stuffing things down and not dealing. Damn them.

[cahtie]

Jan 5, 2012 20:37:50 GMT -5 benson35 said:

I hope not also. I think both boys deserve better treatement in their stories than that if only to move them forward with each other and in how they deal with things going on around them.

They need to look to the future and I'd like to see them deal with the past and move forward. I'd also like to see how they help each other through this. They handle things differently and they are more grown up now.

I think they've dealt with Castiel imo. He got his say, they presumably got theirs. He betrayed them, its done. I don't know if he's in the same vain as Bobby or Dad or each other. Its not like he really was around he same as all of them like emotional support, past history loss.

But its not about him either its about how the boys deal with things. How they help each other through things, whether anger, angst, drink, talking to Lucifer.

We seem to ignore how all of that for a few scenes an episode. I'd love them to of made THAT an episode. Another perfect opportunity to put a few things to rest. Like Sams hand, Dean stuffing things down and not dealing. Damn them.

Oh man would I love them to have a few truly emotionally driven episodes that actually show them dealing, coping, and communicating about what they've gone through. There have been so many opportunities to really milk this and they always seem to try and avoid it rather then address it! I mean, Dean comes back from Hell and Sam first tries to kill him (understandable) and then just gives him a hug (which was nice), and then is all set to move on with current events! I watch that episode and my eyes kind of pop out like..what?? Dean had a much more profound reaction when Sammy was raised that first time. Hell, even when he found out Sam was alive the second time (and he was mad because his bro hadn't gone to him and told him).

It'd be so nice to really get into the meat of things with these two boys. I feel like we've been teased about it with snippets for years now, with a couple of minutes dedicated at the end of some episodes to emotions by the car.

I'm not one who thinks Sam and Dean must be together /all/ the time, nor that they always have to explore all of their feelings for everything that happens, but I do think they should be together the majority of the time (so that the separations have dramatic impact, rather then plot-tooling), and most importantly --- that huge events should show dramatic impact on our boys.

My key example here, though there have been a few more in past seasons, is the warehouse scene. Who didn't /love/ crazy-Sam shooting everywhere and Dean having a real heart to heart with him to reach him?? More of that, yes and thank you ma'am.

[benson35]

Nicely put Cahtie. We have been teased. We had those scenes that were longer than a minute and didn't get interrupted but then they went. And I did think we might be getting those back again but if this doesn't illicit more than Dean up a poll with some random guy to work with on a case then I just don't know.

I was actually just watching parenthood, not its about one family right...and they have their storylines but THIS episode it was just them, as a family. Next week it will go back to them with others. But they get their 'family only' episode in. Their exploration of their feelings for each other. Their 'caught in an elevator' moment.

Wheres the boys!!!! I'm not a fan of exploring all of their feelings either. Which is one of the reasons why I love their relationships. But theres the hand, theres the drinking, theres the Levis and theres them alone and wanting Dick and wanting to survive. Wheres the plan!

I love the way THEY in particular explore their feelings. Its not soppy most of the time and it can be some of the time. Its the reason why I can stomach it and want it more because it leaves me wanting more.

The warehouse scene was perfectly played out your right. The fixing Sammy's hand. Dean watching Sam. Sam spinning out of control. The perfect brother episode. Hmmm this episode I thought was going to be more one of them. Maybe it might. I'm just exhausted for waiting for something to happen. If it was after a funny light episode or a MOW episode fine..but after Bobby dying, Sam flipping out, Dean angry and lost. huh!