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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 21:09:35 GMT -5
It's strange, but the mother seems meaner to the children than the grandmother.
I can understand why the grandmother is so angry with Corinne. Corinne is manipulative.
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 21:20:23 GMT -5
Corinne even manipulated her children. I knew she had no plans on leaving that house or her inheritance.
Grandma is mean but I think she really feels the boy and girl might do the same thing their mother did. The tar was more humane than starving them. I never thought I would begin to understand the grandmother's point of view ~ 20 years later.
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Jan 18, 2014 21:31:16 GMT -5
It's strange, but the mother seems meaner to the children than the grandmother. I can understand why the grandmother is so angry with Corinne. Corinne is manipulative. I noticed that too the grandmother seems kind of sad to be doing why she is to those children but then she flips personalities and is eager to punish |
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Jan 18, 2014 21:33:17 GMT -5
The more I think about it the surer I am
Think of it that had to leave in the dead of night
They couldn't tell anyone goodbye
She gave a false name to the train conductor
I think Corrine planned to kill those children all along
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 21:37:30 GMT -5
It's strange, but the mother seems meaner to the children than the grandmother. I can understand why the grandmother is so angry with Corinne. Corinne is manipulative. I noticed that too the grandmother seems kind of sad to be doing why she is to those children but then she flips personalities and is eager to punish Corporeal punishment is the norm when a person believes "spare the rod, spoil the child" which the grandmother quoted at the party. I don't think grandmother thought she was being mean when she disciplined Christopher. He talked back and was disciplined. It seemed more punitive in the book. |
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 21:40:05 GMT -5
The more I think about it the surer I am Think of it that had to leave in the dead of night They couldn't tell anyone goodbye She gave a false name to the train conductor I think Corrine planned to kill those children all along Excellent deduction. I had not looked at it that way although I wondered why she would not let the porter on the train help them. And she did not even want her luggage because she knew she would have nice things. I like the foreshadowing from the grandmother when she advised them against eating the donuts. She said they were from the mother and were not good for their health. |
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 21:50:10 GMT -5
I think Corinne would have let Cory die right there in the attic if grandmother had not spoken up.
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 21:53:16 GMT -5
When Corinne ran off and left the 3 children, what did she expect her mother to do?
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Jan 18, 2014 22:04:48 GMT -5
I think at that point the grandmother was an accomplice and from the start we were told how manipulative Corrine is so I think she blackmailed the grandmother into finishing off killing the children perhaps she threatened to get the police involved I don't know
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Jan 18, 2014 22:05:07 GMT -5
What did you think of it
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 22:10:15 GMT -5
I enjoyed it and it is even more fun since I knew you were watching it too.
Did you delete a post? I saw a prompt but when I looked, I never saw the post around 9:30 or so.
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 22:13:31 GMT -5
When Corinne came in soooo happy and talked about sailing, I knew she was lying about letting them out.
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 22:17:29 GMT -5
I thought it happened a little earlier than it did. When they kissed on the lips and later talked about their feelings, I thought they had already gone all the way, but they had not.
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Jan 18, 2014 22:22:21 GMT -5
I enjoyed it and it is even more fun since I knew you were watching it too. Did you delete a post? I saw a prompt but when I looked, I never saw the post around 9:30 or so. No I had to edit one |
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Jan 18, 2014 22:23:12 GMT -5
It did make it more fun knowing we were watching at the same time
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Jan 18, 2014 22:26:34 GMT -5
It seemed like many things were rushed in this version and also I noticed many changes that I didn't understand what the reasoning could be for those
But either way I am glad they gave us a remake and it was better than the other movie but still not as good as the book
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 22:32:29 GMT -5
I think they did a good job and it was done in a tasteful manner ~ per your request.
What did they change about the ending?
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Jan 18, 2014 22:47:55 GMT -5
And I too will answer those questions
The scene I most expected to be in the movie was a Cathy and Chris scene simply because so many people were upset that it was completely left out of the older movie so I knew it had to be in this one
I knew from reading the book that she would keep them locked up but the first time I read it it did come as a shock to me
I believe I knew as you said when Corrine came in wearing sailing clothes she told on herself shed rather be doing something fun like sailing than dealing with her not so happy children
I believe in the bathroom when Chris was cutting Cathy's hair and talking about being close that's when I felt they were turning to each other also when he was on the roof and Cathy asked him what he was looking at right when Cathy went back through the window he had this look on his face like things were changing
When Chris yelled at Corrine after she returned from her honeymoon
The things that warned me of what Corrine might do are
When Corrine is telling cathy some mothers are impossible to love I felt she was foreshadowing on the mother she was to become
And also the infamous words of the grandmother
They are from your mother I wouldn't eat them they are bad for your health
I thought everyone did well in their roles
I just wish we got a more in depth look at all the characters things felt too rushed for me
The ending was different and the grandmother seeming nicer than the mother but maybe they did that on purpose to show us who the real monster was the grandmother discovering they had a key in the book in the end the grandmother didn't care what the children did and the swan bed that drives me crazy none f the movies ever get that right
I think they both poisoned the children but mostly the mother
And I'd like to see them all made into movies but mostly the casters series and my sweet audrina
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Jan 18, 2014 22:52:56 GMT -5
The ending in the book was early in the morning before the grandmother arrived with their daily food and the grandmother didn't catch them although she did show up early and look out the window for them but they were already on the train by this point none of that stuff happened with the grandmother being stuck in the closet in the book you are informed why the grandmother doesn't go into the closet/attic but there was no scene like that and then when they told that man idk who he was that they were Corrine's children that never happened either
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 22:55:55 GMT -5
The ending in the book was early in the morning before the grandmother arrived with their daily food and the grandmother didn't catch them although she did show up early and look out the window for them but they were already on the train by this point none of that stuff happened with the grandmother being stuck in the closet in the book you are informed why the grandmother doesn't go into the closet/attic but there was no scene like that and then when they told that man idk who he was that they were Corrine's children that never happened either Thanks. I did not remember the grandmother catching them and thought I might have forgotten. I did not remember the electric fence or the deer or them going swimming either. |
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Jan 18, 2014 23:01:09 GMT -5
They did go swimming but the deer and the fence were not in the book and I can't understand why they added those but maybe they have something to do with sequel
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 23:01:14 GMT -5
Some more responses to the questions...
I think all of the actors did their part well. The grandmother was very believable and forbidding.
The most unexpected difference between the movie and the novel is that the movie did not make the grandmother seem 100% evil like I expected. Corinne seemed worse.
Based on the film, I think Corinne poisoned the children. Would a truly religious woman poison children? That's the dilemna for me believing the grandmother did it. In the book, I thought the grandmother poisoned them, but in the movie, I am uncertain.
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 18, 2014 23:13:53 GMT -5
Some of the shows that I watch on cable TV are TV-14 for LVS and that led me to believe that the movie would have adult scenes, violence and language. None of that was evident.
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Post by gilmorefanalways on Jan 19, 2014 0:07:26 GMT -5
Here is the letter from Catherine saved for last
Dear Diane
You're probably the only friend I had who will remember or even care to remember me. It's already been over three years since we saw or spoke to each other. I'm sure the first question on your mind is where did we go? You must also wonder why did we leave so quickly.
I will never forget how you of all my friends spent so much time with me after my father was killed in the car accident. As you and I often said most of my fair weather friends simply didn't want to be around someone who was always so sad and lost
My mother took us to live with our grandparents in charolettesville they are rich and live in a mansion that all sounds good until I tell you we had to be hidden away in the mansion shut away until my grandfather died. He and my grandmother were very angry at my mother for marrying my fathered really rather not go into why in fact there are so many things now I will never be able to tell anyone
Because we were shut up in this house I was unable to call or even get a letter out to you or to anyone for that matter and neither was Christopher if it wasn't for Christopher my brilliant and sensible brother we never would have survived . Yes it has been that bad my grandmother has been more like the jailer from hell
You might wonder hy we even stayed her under such conditions my mother told us and believed that my grandfather was very sick an would die shortly after we were brought here and when he died we would be accepted and mother would have lots of money for us
He didn't die and hasn't yet at the writing of this letter to you so we are still liked away here we all sleep in a small bedroom and spend most of our time in a very big attic
Mother keeps telling us soon we will be free again and happy soon but soon has become months and months have become years I don't know if this letter will ever be mailed I was afraid to write it in fact but I discovered Christopher wa keeping a diary I would never read his diary and I don't want him to think I have but I am going to hide it at the back of Christophersdiary because he keeps it hidden so well so well in fact that it took me years to discover it
My little brother Cory has become very very sick and my mother has taken him to a hospital a little while ago I was so frightened an nervous I decided to write this letter to keep my mind on something else I hope you'll still care enough to read my letter I wrote it very quickly
Perhaps I'll write again soon and someday be able to talk to you I don't know if I'll still be here or not maybe well move away from Charlottesville I have two other fears besides concern for my brother as I write this I'm afraid you will have forgotten me so long ago that you will toss my letter into the garbage I'm sure you have made many new friends by now I have made none
My third fear is if and when I get a chance to make new friends I will have forgotten how to do it
Maybe I will alway be shut away in one way or another
But still I will sign this
Your friend
Cathy Dollanganger
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Post by AntiArbitrator on Jan 19, 2014 15:08:32 GMT -5
Poor Catherine. Her letter is so sad. It was good that she had a friend who gave her emotional support after her father died and it is a shame she had to leave without saying good-bye.
When I think about the man servant saying the grandmother took a lot of rat poison to the attic, I have to agree that she was also poisoning the children.
I was a little surprised that the twin talked after Cory died because in the book she stopped talking.
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Post by gilmorefanalways on May 20, 2014 1:56:07 GMT -5
on Monday may 26th at 9/8c the sequel to flowers in the attic, petals on the wind will be airing on lifetime and I would like to invite you all to a movie synchro and discussion we will post during commercial breaks and afterwards we will have a discussion there are couple spots to post
here and in the book club discussion thread
we are def looking forward to you opinion and input
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