9.14 "Captives" Poll and Discussion

[SoCal]

They're not getting along, but they're still living together and hunting together. Hunting Crowley? Is the MOL bunker haunted? Did I just see Kevin's ghost? Watch and discuss here.

[SoCal]

I'm giving it a three, because I liked seeing Kevin and his mom. The rest was just okay. Castiel ended Bart's reign pretty quick. And Sam is still being a dick with Dean.

At least we see the Ghostfacers next week. Hope it doesn't dispoint.

Maybe I should watch it again.

[AntiArbitrator]

I agree with the rating of 3.

I had not seen any spoilers; therefore, it was a pleasant surprise to see Kevin was the ghost. It was nice of him to not fuss at Sam for shooting him with rock salt. It is rather sad that the souls cannot move on while Heaven is closed. That really sucks!

I never believed Mrs. Tran was dead and I am glad we got closure on that arc. Poor Dean got knocked out again but he recovers well from all those blows to the head.

Kevin gave excellent advice to the brothers and I think Dean was willing to try to follow it, but Sam acted petulant.

Castiel! The man is back in charge and angels want to follow his lead. It is so good to know that he is not hated by everyone and will have help.

I do not understand the desire to have fist fights to solve major issues...makes no sense to me. Did Bartholomew think winning a fight would prove who would be the better leader or impress his followers? He needed to remember that Castiel has been kicking butt since S5. Season 5...because Cas lost all of his fights in S4.

[ashley]

they really do get hit a lot you would think they would get concussed

[AntiArbitrator]

Ashley, I get what you are saying. TV shows do take a lot of liberties with the spiritual elements of the show and I wish the angels were not portrayed as negatively as they are.

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[ashley]

I guess while I have never been crazy religious I still pray and stuff. and when I lose thing I pray to st Anthony and things tend to turn up. and when I had my accident back in 7th grade when I was struck by I car with my teeth knocked out I prayed with my brother till paramedics came. I am fine with some bad angels but I would like to see some that are not total ass wipes. But it is not just the angels but when you see People on the show who are religious they make it seem so cult like. Not always they had a priest in season 1 who was ok and liyla or what ever but even in that episode with the faith healing it felt sorta wrong. I get that there are people who take it to the extremes and unfortunately that is what is represented on tv. I know they went a Paradise Lost story arc with luucifer and I got the references and such.

[SoCal]

asHle, I still say that little prayer to St. Anthony when I've misplaced something: "Dear St. Anthony, please come 'roung; something's lost and can't be found." It's always worked!
I'm a practicing Roman Catholic and find the religious references on SPN both insightful and painfully wrong. But then I try to remember it's only a TV show.

[ashley]

I know its a show but still its not right. I really do like the show can I punch the writers.

[AntiArbitrator]

Feb 27, 2014 12:29:12 GMT -5 ashley said:

I know its a show but still its not right. I really do like the show can I punch the writers.

Yes, you may take a virtual punch at the writers.

I remember when they were really bashing God, I said "All of the producers are going straight to Hell."

[AntiArbitrator]

the religious references on SPN both insightful and painfully wrong

SoCal  That is a very interesting and apt description.

[ashley]

Ive had my doubts and ive been angry with God sometimes. The day of my sisters graduation my Uncle Tom was killed in a car accident I hated God I had lost someone who was a second father. I never thought I would understand the pain the guys felt when they lost Bobby. I don't think God works directly but he works threw others threw dreams and such. its ok to be angry and hurt but we have to forgive. My younger sister says she is a non believer my uncle did to but somehow I don't think ether of them are or were. Shortly before my uncle had passed we were on a hike I was taking photos for school and he suggested that I look for hidden crosses. We think we aren't being heard , We ask why so many bad things happen, not just to us but all over the world. I don't know if its real but I don't want to believe its not and I don't think tv needs to poke at it there are so many great stories why not focus on them.

[novemberschild]

Hello, I have been and am still sick and haven't been real motivated to review just yet.
I did give it a 2, but don't feel like doing a review just yet. maybe later.

[AntiArbitrator]

Mar 1, 2014 18:38:59 GMT -5 novemberschild said:

Hello, I have been and am still sick and haven't been real motivated to review just yet.
I did give it a 2, but don't feel like doing a review just yet. maybe later.

I hope you feel better soon. I don't think you should force yourself to review an episode that did not resonate with you. A "2" is a very good indication that you think the episode lacked the ingredients to make you jump up and down with applause. Maybe the next couple of episodes will be fun to chat about.

[novemberschild]

Hi Anti,
You are correct, this episode didn't give me a lot of good feelings about Sam and Dean. I did enjoy seeing Kevin again and I am glad he still didn't let them sugarcoat things towards him. I liked that he told them to get over it, and I wish Sam would have listened some.

I know and understand why Sam is upset with Dean and we all knew that once Sam found out what Dean had done that he would be mad, but I wish TPTB would start working on the guys being back together, cause their story is just depressing to me right now, I enjoyed Cas's part of the story more than theirs this week.
I did notice that Sam came running when Dean yelled at him this week, which was nice to see but right now I think it is hard to see the guys liked this. And did anyone else notice that when the demon was ready to stab Dean, he really didn't put up a struggle? is he just going thru the motions right now? Did he want to be killed?


I did want to get in on the religious conversation you guys were having, I thought it was interesting.
As someone who is religious and does believe deeply in God, I realize that TV shows will portray any subject as they want to. I don't always agree with any TV show when they portray religion because I think they get it wrong most of the time, but religion like other things can be open to interpretation and everyone brings different life experiences and different viewpoints into their ideas about life, religion and many other things into everyday life.
I don't expect SPN or any TV show to portray religion as I believe it to be, and for me that's ok, I know SPN is just a show and I don't expect it to do anything but entertain me and make me think or feel sometimes. I know some people get upset power the way certain subjects are portrayed, but I don't really get bent out of shape about that, it is a TV show and I don't expect it to be my moral compass.

For me religion gives me peace in my heart and peace in my mind and that is worth more than anything to me. I may not always understand why certain things happen in my life or why certain things happen in the world, but I know that everything happens for a reason and I have to let that be enough.

[ashley]

I know its a TV show I guess I can be a bit prudish with faith but anytime a person of faith is on the show it feels like a parody. the TV preacher to the guy on the street that Cas said he was praying to loud.and its not just spn this is in most movies. also I feel like there are already so many negative extremists in out faith from those idjit "church" picketing funerals. I feel that when people think about faith they don't associate it with good things but rather these ugly images of it.

[AntiArbitrator]

the TV preacher to the guy on the street that Cas said he was praying to loud

I guess this is not the best time to say that is one of my favorite scenes. The actor was fantastic in that role and I love the way he said "Dear God!"

I do understand what ashley is saying about parody, but I do not think that particular preacher was a parody; I think he was devout.

[ashley]

I thought it was funny at firsts and I know there are people like that heck I had a girl at school chase be down trying to convince me god was a woman and she kept reading me passages. but you know what I meen.

[AntiArbitrator]

Yep, I know what you mean.

[novemberschild]

Ashley, You are correct when you say that most images of faith or anything religion based that is on TV is portrayed negatively.

SPN has always been bad about it and most other shows or movies show it in a bad light, the only show I know that really portrayed it in a positive way was Touched By an Angel. I wish that religion was portrayed in a better light but I don't know what I could do to make that happen.

For me religion is a more personal thing and I normally keep those thoughts and feelings to myself, I know lots of people have different viewpoints on it and I don't want to make people uncomfortable. Sometimes when people find out you are religious, they look at you as if you are something to avoid.
There have only been one or two angels on SPN that have ever been portrayed in a positive way, one was Joshua, and Inias wasn't bad either.

[ashley]

I would never shove mine on anyone I do talk about it quite a bit. There are so many directions they can go I don't think they need to take shots at people.I have totally hijacked this sorry.