10.1:Black

[SoCal]

Well, folks, season 10 is upon us. Will we be rewarded for our faithful support or will the new season disappoint? Let's start off by rating the first episode:




Pants?? woo-hoo!!

[AntiArbitrator]

The camera was aimed too high, darn it, but I am always happy to see Dean's broad shoulders anyway. I am adding one point for that view.

Counting the days!

[SoCal]

Did you get the feeling the girl knows Crowley? The way they spoke to each other made it seem like she may be one of his demons. I dunno, but at least we have less than 5 days to find out!!

[AntiArbitrator]

That is exactly what I thought. The girl was very flippant to Crowley and their use of his bed was like thumbing their nose at him.

[SoCal]

Only a few more hours to wait, Supernatural fans, until the boys are back! I sure hope you'll come here to discuss and rate tonight's and future season 10 episodes. It's always so much fun to get everyone's take on what happened. And so often, someone sees something that someone else has missed.

Watch and discuss here!!

[LoveMyBoys]

I guess I'll start it off; here are my thoughts:

You are EVIL. BASTARDS. for making us wait! How long do you think it's going to be before they show us what happened right after Dean awoke? No spoilers, please, if you know; just speculation. Or do you think what we know/have seen is all there is to it (the note, Dean taking off with Crowley)?* Of course, there's whatever Cas and Sam were talking about, whatever demon incident led to his beat up shoulder. Since it seems Sam thought demon minion #3 was stuffed in Dean's body for a good month or more, I doubt they were talking about Dean as the demon--but, as he did think it was just any old demon until now, you never know.

Two OH!! (as OMG/I-can't-believe-you-went-there/oh-no-you-di'int as you can say that) moments: the "jerk" "bitch" exchange between CROWLEY(!) and Dean, and the 'hitting a dog' comment. (That was some great meta there.)

So, Dean's demon-ness is held at bay if he kills regularly? He's more like a semi-demon than full-on? That's the sense I got from Dean's and Crowley's exchange on the matter.

The new guy is veerrrry interesting. Someone from Dean's past, eh? Has to be before Sam hooked back up with him, right? Wonder what he did that was so bad. Seems like the guy's wife was aware of it, whatever it was.

Overall, it was a good episode. Probably a middle of the pack season opener. There have been better ones, it felt a little light on developments outside of the new guy, but I'm just excited for the overall season and where it's all going to go. (The teaser announcing it as the year of the Deanmon makes me think they DO want to make it a season-long thing and not resolve it at the half-season finale like in the past. Guess we'll see!)

*But if that's the case, I'll be extremely ticked off that Crowley never appeared before Sam: he was SUMMONED; his butt should have gone to Sam, not in a room Sam-adjacent. That kind of loophole would forever not sit right with me.)

ETA: Did the guy's kid remind anyone else of Todd from Wishful Thinking, or was it just me? Also, I wonder who sent him the photo of Dean--and why it took the guy so long to find/go after him. It's not like the boys haven't shown up in the news before. And speaking of, none too smart of Dean to go flashing his mug for the cops like that. (Would the fact that he's currently declared dead keep them from finding out his identity without a directed search? Since it's happened twice before, you'd think they'd have some kind of alert or special search in place just in case it were to happen again.)

EATA: What's with all the demons packing angel blades? That's fast becoming the weapon du jour and a bit too ubiquitous.

[SoCal]

I gave it a 4. I especially enjoyed Dean, Sam and Crowley. I'll have to wait and see about Cole. As for the Castiel storyline...uh....I thought it was weak. I would have preferred it was left out completely from the season premiere and focused more on Dean and Sam.

Dean seemed remarkable Dean-like, that is until the ending. That cold, hard look on his face was scary. Does he remember Cole?

Crowley looked peeved that he can't seem to control Dean. And did anyone else find it strange that Dean's "feeding" the MOC would keep him from being more demon-like? I didn't get that, but I guess it's a side effect of the MOC. Although Cain didn't seem to be killing a lot and I didn't know he was a demon.

They covered a lot of territory in this episode. I hope the next one is more focused.

What did you think?

[AntiArbitrator]

I gave it a 4. It was dramatic, had humor, and moved the story along.

Sam looked unusually dark when he was talking to the demon at the beginning of the episode. Then he tried to make the demon “phone home” but she said no one would answer because they are under orders. Four weeks later, Sam, with his arm in a sling, is in the bunker researching demonic possession and contacting people for evidence of demons. Thankfully, he does not look as dark.

So…Sam and Cas were together when a demon hurt Sam’s shoulder. I think Sam was nice about not blaming Cas and trying to let Cas take time to help himself. Cas openly admitted “I miss him.” That is so sweet. But I want more details on the event they talked about.

“Too sexy” Dean was cute and I noticed his chest hair was missing in this episode. It seems like a long time since Dean was intimate with a woman. He seemed more upbeat and carefree like Dean was 10 years ago (except for the “skank” comment because young Dean would not have disrespected a woman that way). OMG! Crowley and Dean doing the “jerk” and “bitch” catch phrase, in addition to foosball, darts, karaoke, and good times with triplets. Dean was vicious in his attack on Ann-Marie’s Matt and I notice neither Crowley nor anyone else tried to interfere.

I am not happy with the way Castiel and Hannah are at this time. It is difficult for me to enjoy a sick and dying Castiel. Castiel did not realize Hannah would feel awkward entering his motel room while his robe was open. Actually, I am puzzled why an angel would care since they are not impressed by the human form anyway. Hannah believes Daniel and Adina should be punished for killing an angel who tried to force them to return to heaven. When Hannah asked for help, I felt that Cas agreed because he owes her a favor and because he felt he could mediate. It was obvious Cas does not agree that angels should be forced to give up free will and I do not like him being put in the position of killing an angel because of Hannah.

Abaddon’s groupies were sent to fight Dean. Dean has always been an awesome fighter and with the First Blade, those demons won’t defeat him. But I guess fighting Dean seems safer than asking Crowley for forgiveness; after all, where can a demon hide from the King of Hell?

Cole was loading lots of weapons to take out “porn guy”. Meanwhile, the store clerk was demonstrating to Sam how porn guy was jabbing the man and saying “Say my name!” I could not help it - I had to laugh. And then he said he was having a “total code brown moment in his favorite freakin’ pants.”

Of course Crowley took a dig at Sam with the “hit another dog” comment, “Growley and Squirrel” “partner in crime” “Dean completes me” and acting as if he had no idea the call was being traced. Crowley is usually the smartest person in any room so I do not underestimate him. I still enjoy the way Dean and Crowley talk to each other because they are so brutally no-holds-barred in their exchanges without either one acting hurt or sensitive.

Cole had little patience in his “proof of life” demonstration. Now Sam, Cole and Dean are in a situation that will not end well for someone. Whenever the final scene zooms in on Dean, I get a chill because it is a bad sign. Cole should take Sam’s advice and run in the opposite direction.

[novemberschild]

well crap, I was almost done with my post and I hit the wrong button and lost the whole thing.
I gave it a 3 , and I will add my comment back in later, I am not typing all that back in now.

But here is a theory I have, that goes along with an earlier comment I made about S10 and its personal nature.
I noticed during the episode that each on of the 4 guys were dealing with their own personal issues and trying to decide what exactly they want to be and where they want to go.
Sam- How far will he go to save his brother?
Crowley- Why is he trying to hang with Dean so much, does he need a friend, a confidante? a weapon?
Dean- Deep down he is looking for something, even though he no longer cares, there is a part of him that is in there that is looking for something.
Cas-I think he is struggling to decide what he wants to be, and angel or a human.

Edit to add- ok, let's try this again.

I thought it was an ok episode, I loved the S10 title card!

I didn't like the Dean /Crowley bitch /jerk moment, that should be for only Sam and Dean imo.
I did enjoy Sam trying so hard and going just as far as he can to get Dean back, I think that people underestimate Sam's abilities and his devotion to his brother, I think Sam has always been just as devoted to Dean as Dean is to Sam, they just have different ways of showing it and talking about it. I loved Sam's enthusiasm when he called Cas and was so excited that he found a clue, and then the rest of the conversation was so sad when Sam heard how bad Cas sounded. I do wonder how Sam will feel about himself after he gets/if he gets Dean back and he has to live with what he did.

Crowley-I don't understand why Crowley doesn't understand that he can't control Dean, he has done a lot of research and has known the Winchesters for a long time now, he should know that Dean is and always will be his own master. I am trying to decide why Crowley wants Dean around so bad? is it friendship, is it because of his reputation, is it because he is trying to keep Gavin safe (keeping Dean away from him) or is it a more of a family bond he feels with the Winchesters. I just don't know.


Dean- even though he was a womanizing, fighting, drinking and seemingly fun loving person/demon there was a sad quality to him, even though he didn't seem to have a care in the world he looked sad. the only time he didn't look sad was when he was beating someone up or killing someone, then he was just scary. I do wonder how the MOC will affect Dean as the season goes on.

Cas, I am tired of Cas being beat up or killed (4 times by my count) and being in danger. I don't like how he is constantly being portrayed as weak or naïve. His original naiveté was fine when he first started on the show, but he has been with the Winchesters for a time now and he should have a clue. He seemed very adamant about not wanting to kill angels. and yet he had to kill another angel because of stupid Hannah. Cas deserves better than he is being portrayed. This is a brother, and ally and a friend to the Winchesters, can we treat him better than that? I can't stand Hannah anymore, she is so wishy washy, first she believes Cas, then she doesn't, then she is back to believing Cas. She didn't like that he killed angels, but now it is ok for her to kill angels and not listen to Cas? Pick a side Hannah and stick with it.

Sorry didn't mean to rant, I just get tired of the Winchesters being portrayed as stupid or Cas being naïve.

[AntiArbitrator]

I know it is frustrating to lose a long post. That has happened to me when the "angry bear" showed up. Grrr!

I agree the four guys are each on a personal journey, but I think Cas has made his choice of what he wants.

Oct 8, 2014 0:09:23 GMT -5 LoveMyBoys said:

So, Dean's demon-ness is held at bay if he kills regularly? He's more like a semi-demon than full-on? That's the sense I got from Dean's and Crowley's exchange on the matter.

ETA: Did the guy's kid remind anyone else of Todd from Wishful Thinking, or was it just me? 

I think someone's imagination was working overtime when they came up with the "feed the blade" scenario to keep Dean from going full demon, but I will roll with it.

I also thought the kid looked familiar. He was Tyler in the "Plucky Pennywhistle" episode but not in "Wishful Thinking".

Oct 8, 2014 20:47:15 GMT -5 SoCal said:

I gave it a 4. I especially enjoyed Dean, Sam and Crowley. I'll have to wait and see about Cole. As for the Castiel storyline...uh....I thought it was weak. I would have preferred it was left out completely from the season premiere and focused more on Dean and Sam.

Dean seemed remarkable Dean-like, that is until the ending. That cold, hard look on his face was scary. Does he remember Cole?

Crowley looked peeved that he can't seem to control Dean. And did anyone else find it strange that Dean's "feeding" the MOC would keep him from being more demon-like? I didn't get that, but I guess it's a side effect of the MOC. Although Cain didn't seem to be killing a lot and I didn't know he was a demon.

They covered a lot of territory in this episode. I hope the next one is more focused.

What did you think?

Sam did an excellent job on the research and I enjoyed watching him handle the investigation. He was pretty cool in spite of the pressure he was under. I am glad Cole did not really torture Sam and I think it is interesting that both Sam and Cole referred to Dean as a monster.

I don't think Cole gave Dean enough info to remember him, but my money is on Dean if they go head-to-head.

I thought Cain was practicing passivity and he did not have the First Blade with him. I had the impression that Cain was stronger than Crowley or maybe Crowley was in awe of him. They left us hanging as far as what happened to Cain.
I hope the next one gives Cas more grace. I don't mean to sound callous, but if they are going to kill angels, maybe Cas should suck up some of the grace.

[AntiArbitrator]

Oct 10, 2014 19:53:07 GMT -5 novemberschild said:

well crap, I was almost done with my post and I hit the wrong button and lost the whole thing.
I gave it a 3 , and I will add my comment back in later, I am not typing all that back in now.

But here is a theory I have, that goes along with an earlier comment I made about S10 and its personal nature.
I noticed during the episode that each on of the 4 guys were dealing with their own personal issues and trying to decide what exactly they want to be and where they want to go.
Sam- How far will he go to save his brother? "To hell and back" is my guess.
Crowley- Why is he trying to hang with Dean so much, does he need a friend, a confidante? a weapon? If he can't have Moose, he'll take "not Moose". 
Dean- Deep down he is looking for something, even though he no longer cares, there is a part of him that is in there that is looking for something. Dean's pain has broken my heart for years and I see no end in sight.
Cas-I think he is struggling to decide what he wants to be, an angel or a human.

I think Castiel wants to be an angel with free will, which is directly opposed to what Hannah wants. He admires and appreciates the qualities that make us human. 

Edit to add- ok, let's try this again.

I thought it was an ok episode, I loved the S10 title card! 

I didn't like the Dean /Crowley bitch /jerk moment, that should be for only Sam and Dean imo. I bet they did that to alarm us into thinking Dean is lost to Sam and is becoming BFFs with Growley.
I did enjoy Sam trying so hard and going just as far as he can to get Dean back, I think that people underestimate Sam's abilities and his devotion to his brother, I think Sam has always been just as devoted to Dean as Dean is to Sam, they just have different ways of showing it and talking about it.
It seemed to me in the early seasons that Sam did not even like Dean, but stayed because of a sense of responsibility.

I loved Sam's enthusiasm when he called Cas and was so excited that he found a clue, and then the rest of the conversation was so sad when Sam heard how bad Cas sounded. I really liked that scene too.
I do wonder how Sam will feel about himself after he gets/if he gets Dean back and he has to live with what he did. Are you talking about torturing the demon? I don't think Sam will care about crossroads demons because they are too far gone to be saved.

Crowley-I don't understand why Crowley doesn't understand that he can't control Dean, he has done a lot of research and has known the Winchesters for a long time now, he should know that Dean is and always will be his own master. I am trying to decide why Crowley wants Dean around so bad? is it friendship, is it because of his reputation, is it because he is trying to keep Gavin safe (keeping Dean away from him) or is it a more of a family bond he feels with the Winchesters. I just don't know. I am going with the family bond.


Dean- even though he was a womanizing, fighting, drinking and seemingly fun loving person/demon there was a sad quality to him, even though he didn't seem to have a care in the world he looked sad. the only time he didn't look sad was when he was beating someone up or killing someone, then he was just scary. I do wonder how the MOC will affect Dean as the season goes on. I am not convinced that Dean did not feel bad about insulting the woman. His eyes turned black on the video clip so as far as I am concerned, Dean is a demon for the time being.

Cas, I am tired of Cas being beat up or killed (4 times by my count) and being in danger. I don't like how he is constantly being portrayed as weak or naïve. His original naiveté was fine when he first started on the show, but he has been with the Winchesters for a time now and he should have a clue. He seemed very adamant about not wanting to kill angels. and yet he had to kill another angel because of stupid Hannah. Cas deserves better than he is being portrayed. This is a brother, and ally and a friend to the Winchesters, can we treat him better than that? I can't stand Hannah anymore, she is so wishy washy, first she believes Cas, then she doesn't, then she is back to believing Cas. She didn't like that he killed angels, but now it is ok for her to kill angels and not listen to Cas? Pick a side Hannah and stick with it. Amen! to the rant. ITA!

Sorry didn't mean to rant, I just get tired of the Winchesters being portrayed as stupid or Cas being naïve.

I enjoyed reading your comments. I hope you do not mind that I inserted my remarks inside your message in the color red. If you have trouble reading them, I will list them beneath your post.

[novemberschild]

Hi Anti, I am fine with you putting your comments in the message.

Sam may not care about torturing the demon but I think deep down Sam may have issues with how far he is willing to go to save Dean, have you ever done something and then realized later that something really bad could have happened from your actions? then you think about it and realize the consequences of your actions? I think Sam might have that reaction later on to what he may do, just a thought.


SoCal, I agree this one covered a lot of ground and the next one needs to focus a little more.


LoveMyBoys- In answer to your question about demons and the angel blades, as I was re watching the episode I was thinking along the same lines, we never saw them until S4 and then they seemed in short supply until S7 and on. what gives?

[AntiArbitrator]

We have seen Castiel collect fallen angel blades, but I never noticed Zachariah or other angels retrieving them. My guess is that the blades are the spoils of war from the angels killing each other on earth. Crowley or his minions probably swooped them up as ammunition against angels...and other demons.

[LoveMyBoys]

Oct 12, 2014 16:09:26 GMT -5 AntiArbitrator said:

We have seen Castiel collect fallen angel blades, but I never noticed Zachariah or other angels retrieving them. My guess is that the blades are the spoils of war from the angels killing each other on earth. Crowley or his minions probably swooped them up as ammunition against angels...and other demons.

Very good point, hadn't thought about that. I guess I just have a problem when any weapon gets overused and it seems like every Tom, Dick, and Harry has one.

[LoveMyBoys]

Oct 10, 2014 20:46:46 GMT -5 AntiArbitrator said:

I also thought the kid looked familiar. He was Tyler in the "Plucky Pennywhistle" episode but not in "Wishful Thinking".

I knew he wouldn't be the kid from Wishful Thinking, he just reminded me of him. Funny that I didn't realize he was also Tyler--or maybe that was why he seemed familiar, but for some reason my brain flashed back to a much previous episode. *shrug* Thanks for the info.

I think someone's imagination was working overtime when they came up with the "feed the blade" scenario to keep Dean from going full demon, but I will roll with it.

I can go with it considering how the Mark was driving him to kill before the transformation, and that keeping it sated by regular kills could keep the urges down/more manageable. Or maybe it's a bit of both: maybe it's only sating his desire to kill right now but building under the surface, and then it will explode into a fit of demonic nastiness that nothing can stop. That does seem to fit better with where things seem to be going in the next episode(s).

Time will tell.

[AntiArbitrator]

Oct 11, 2014 20:29:22 GMT -5 novemberschild said:

LoveMyBoys- In answer to your question about demons and the angel blades, as I was re watching the episode I was thinking along the same lines, we never saw them until S4 and then they seemed in short supply until S7 and on. what gives?

This made me think of something else. Archangels did not need angel blades to kill other angels. I wonder if they were the only ones (except for God, of course) who had that power. When Virgil was trapped in the non-magic universe, it left the weapons vault unguarded and the naughty angels grabbed the blades.

Why did you activate my imagination? Now I am wondering why the blades fell along with the angels? Were they wearing blades like the gunslingers wore pistols in the Wild West?