Sam in the Asylum

[windykl]

ok i reread that interview that jared gave to zap2it and here's the line about the asylum..

"He'll be checked into an asylum where they think he's fully crazy, and honestly, he is. He kind of has been for a long time."

so i'm wondering if he does freak out on someone and that's how he gets there...and he says that the people there think he's crazy...

[waggy3015]

Maybe Sam freaks out on somebody, they call the cops and he gets arrested.

But while he's in lockup, Sam continues to freak out, so the cops decide that instead of booking him, they send him to the asylum.

[DeanandSam]

Jan 22, 2012 19:12:43 GMT -5 waggy3015 said:

Maybe Sam freaks out on somebody, they call the cops and he gets arrested.

But while he's in lockup, Sam continues to freak out, so the cops decide that instead of booking him, they send him to the asylum.

Is this going to be episode 17? Because I am very intrested to see how the whole thing will pan out, but I also don't want to tune in because in fear episode 17 will be just like episode 20 of season 6 which had a lot of Cas. I don't want to tune in for that again.

[windykl]

Jan 22, 2012 19:14:50 GMT -5 DeanandSam said:

Jan 22, 2012 19:12:43 GMT -5 waggy3015 said:

Maybe Sam freaks out on somebody, they call the cops and he gets arrested.

But while he's in lockup, Sam continues to freak out, so the cops decide that instead of booking him, they send him to the asylum.

Is this going to be episode 17? Because I am very intrested to see how the whole thing will pan out, but I also don't want to tune in because in fear episode 17 will be just like episode 20 of season 6 which had a lot of Cas. I don't want to tune in for that again.

yep, it's ep 17..and you're not alone in your fear, trust me...

[DeanandSam]

Jan 22, 2012 19:17:19 GMT -5 windykl said:

Jan 22, 2012 19:14:50 GMT -5 DeanandSam said:

Is this going to be episode 17? Because I am very intrested to see how the whole thing will pan out, but I also don't want to tune in because in fear episode 17 will be just like episode 20 of season 6 which had a lot of Cas. I don't want to tune in for that again.

yep, it's ep 17..and you're not alone in your fear, trust me...

Sent you a PM

And thanks. I am a bit saddened that Sam's moment will probably be overshadowed by Cas. It's not the first time. But I guess we should wait until we get more info about the episode, episode description, spoilers, and photos, and until I get all that. I will give me a clue whether it's going to be Cas centric or not. If so, that I will probably watch the episode later online. I am still optimistic though

[windykl]

Jan 22, 2012 19:23:28 GMT -5 DeanandSam said:

Jan 22, 2012 19:17:19 GMT -5 windykl said:

yep, it's ep 17..and you're not alone in your fear, trust me...

Sent you a PM

And thanks. I am a bit saddened that Sam's moment will probably be overshadowed by Cas. It's not the first time. But I guess we should wait until we get more info about the episode, episode description, spoilers, and photos, and until I get all that. I will give me a clue whether it's going to be Cas centric or not. If so, that I will probably watch the episode later online. I am still optimistic though

yeah i understand..i don't get my hopes up anymore so i won't be disappointed...it's the best way i know of to cope with the way i feel they treat sam at times..

[amelianne]

Jan 22, 2012 18:19:14 GMT -5 DeanandSam said:

I don't think the asylum is a cover for Jared's time off. The writers gave him the option to take time off without Jared even asking. So it's not like Jared just dumped it on them that he isn't going to be available, so they took the route to put Sam at the asylum. I think it was planned and part of the original storyline. I also don't think he will be gone for more than a couple of days.

I think Jared was trying to convey that the writers were okay with hearing about Gen's pregnancy. So yes, he relayed that they offered him some time off. But I believe Jared would have requested some time off anyway. I don't think it matters how the time off originated, just that IF the main storyline was already planned out, then the writers may have made some adjustments to account for Jared's absence. But it was far enough in advance that I don't think it was a problem.

I agree that putting Sam in an asylum is probably the way the writers have chosen to handle Jared's absence. Maybe Sam gets captured by the police when he's hallucinating (and a danger to himself/others?) and he is involuntarily committed? Or maybe Dean feels it's best for Sam's safety (since who else does Dean have to watch Sam?) if Sam is there?

I guess they might need to be flexible about the details of Sam's stay in the asylum until Jared knows how many days he will be absent?

I don't think Cas will be of much help to Dean since he's apparently not the same "Cas" when he returns?

[waggy3015]

I'm leaning more towards Sam being involuntarily committed, rather than Dean doing it.

I just can't see Dean committing Sam with the Levi's running around, watching them. IMO, putting Sam in there makes him a sitting duck.

I mean, they already took over a couple of nurses and doctors when Jodi was in the hospital, so they could simply do it again. Only this time Sam would have no protection, and being in the looney bin, nobody would believe him that he was being attacked.

[waggy3015]

I wonder if while Sam's in the Asylum, Castiel will come to him, with the intention of trying to fix Sam?

I'm sure a lot of people will feel that the first person Cas should be seeing is Dean. However, Cas could be thinking that if he fixes Sam, that could maybe help him with Dean.

[DeanandSam]

Jan 24, 2012 18:21:19 GMT -5 waggy3015 said:

I wonder if while Sam's in the Asylum, Castiel will come to him, with the intention of trying to fix Sam?

I'm sure a lot of people will feel that the first person Cas should be seeing is Dean. However, Cas could be thinking that if he fixes Sam, that could maybe help him with Dean.

It's a possibility. But I honestly think both Sam and Dean will see Cas for the first time together. Just going by interviews that were givin, that Sam and Dean will see Cas, but it will be a new Cas.

[JazzBeePrime]

we also don't know if the boys run into cas at the beginning,middle or end of the epi. i also think sam and dean may be working a case, and sam's hellucinations get to the point where he can no longer control them. he possibly freaks out, like he did at the warehouse, and he ends up being forcibly commited by the authorities. dean then does what he can to get sam out of the asylum. since there will only be a handful of epis left in this season, i'm guessing 'castiel' does somehow help sam. personally, i don't think castiel is the real castiel. i think he's another powerful being using castiel's image. i remember reading that we're suppose to see sam's mental breakdown from sam's pov.

[DeanandSam]

Jan 24, 2012 18:53:13 GMT -5 JazzBeePrime said:

we also don't know if the boys run into cas at the beginning,middle or end of the epi. i also think sam and dean may be working a case, and sam's hellucinations get to the point where he can no longer control them. he possibly freaks out, like he did at the warehouse, and he ends up being forcibly commited by the authorities. dean then does what he can to get sam out of the asylum. since there will only be a handful of epis left in this season, i'm guessing 'castiel' does somehow help sam. personally, i don't think castiel is the real castiel. i think he's another powerful being using castiel's image. i remember reading that we're suppose to see sam's mental breakdown from sam's pov.

From Sam's Pov? That's exciting. Where did you hear that?

[JazzBeePrime]

i believe it was in one of the many interviews, or possibly a spoiler. i'll have to look for it.

[waggy3015]

Jan 24, 2012 18:29:02 GMT -5 DeanandSam said:

Jan 24, 2012 18:21:19 GMT -5 waggy3015 said:

I wonder if while Sam's in the Asylum, Castiel will come to him, with the intention of trying to fix Sam?

I'm sure a lot of people will feel that the first person Cas should be seeing is Dean. However, Cas could be thinking that if he fixes Sam, that could maybe help him with Dean.

It's a possibility. But I honestly think both Sam and Dean will see Cas for the first time together. Just going by interviews that were givin, that Sam and Dean will see Cas, but it will be a new Cas.

If Dean IS the one to put Sam in the Asylum, I wonder if it's because Cas is back?

Like maybe Cas says there's a way to fix Sam, but he needs Dean's help to do it. And Dean can't really take Sam with him, because of his freak outs and Jodi is too far away to come and help, so Dean decides to put Sam in the asylum.

Though despite what I just said, I still can't see Dean actually putting Sam in an asylum. I would think he'd realize it'd be too risky to do that, with the Levi's all around.

[waggy3015]

Jan 24, 2012 18:53:13 GMT -5 JazzBeePrime said:

we also don't know if the boys run into cas at the beginning,middle or end of the epi. i also think sam and dean may be working a case, and sam's hellucinations get to the point where he can no longer control them. he possibly freaks out, like he did at the warehouse, and he ends up being forcibly commited by the authorities. dean then does what he can to get sam out of the asylum. since there will only be a handful of epis left in this season, i'm guessing 'castiel' does somehow help sam. personally, i don't think castiel is the real castiel. i think he's another powerful being using castiel's image. i remember reading that we're suppose to see sam's mental breakdown from sam's pov.

I like this scenario very much and could see it playing out this way.

Wasn't it said somewhere that TPTB were going to use putting Sam in an asylum as a way to give Jared the time off?

So maybe Sam's going to be locked up for a couple of episodes.

[waggy3015]

Jan 24, 2012 18:53:13 GMT -5 JazzBeePrime said:

we also don't know if the boys run into cas at the beginning,middle or end of the epi. i also think sam and dean may be working a case, and sam's hellucinations get to the point where he can no longer control them. he possibly freaks out, like he did at the warehouse, and he ends up being forcibly commited by the authorities. dean then does what he can to get sam out of the asylum. since there will only be a handful of epis left in this season, i'm guessing 'castiel' does somehow help sam. personally, i don't think castiel is the real castiel. i think he's another powerful being using castiel's image. i remember reading that we're suppose to see sam's mental breakdown from sam's pov.

Cas could very well come in towards the end of this episode. He is scheduled for 2 more episodes after this one.

So Episode 17 could very well just be a brief start to the arc.

[DeanandSam]

Jan 24, 2012 19:01:06 GMT -5 waggy3015 said:

Jan 24, 2012 18:53:13 GMT -5 JazzBeePrime said:

we also don't know if the boys run into cas at the beginning,middle or end of the epi. i also think sam and dean may be working a case, and sam's hellucinations get to the point where he can no longer control them. he possibly freaks out, like he did at the warehouse, and he ends up being forcibly commited by the authorities. dean then does what he can to get sam out of the asylum. since there will only be a handful of epis left in this season, i'm guessing 'castiel' does somehow help sam. personally, i don't think castiel is the real castiel. i think he's another powerful being using castiel's image. i remember reading that we're suppose to see sam's mental breakdown from sam's pov.

I like this scenario very much and could see it playing out this way.

Wasn't it said somewhere that TPTB were going to use putting Sam in an asylum as a way to give Jared the time off?

So maybe Sam's going to be locked up for a couple of episodes.

A couple episodes? That is like weeks off for Jared. Jared said at most he will have a few days off from filming after the baby is forn and that's in march. Next week they will be filming episode 17 at it will be late Jan, early Feb. So no, Jared is not meant to take a few days off until March. So I don't know how the asylum is going to be worked out, but I think he will be out of the asylum probably by the end of the episode.

[JazzBeePrime]

jared may be pre-shooting his scenes for future epis. if he pre-shoots, this will give him the time-off to be there for gen and his son. it doesn't neccessarily mean jared won't be in an epi, or that a couple epis will be sam-lite.

[CaptainBill]

Jan 24, 2012 19:34:26 GMT -5 JazzBeePrime said:

jared may be pre-shooting his scenes for future epis. if he pre-shoots, this will give him the time-off to be there for gen and his son. it doesn't neccessarily mean jared won't be in an epi, or that a couple epis will be sam-lite.

That was my thought too, Jazz, that they could be pre-shooting Jared's scene, it's not as if Gen's pregnancy was a surprise to anyone. When the crew has plenty of notice they usually have no trouble scheduling filming the heck out of the actor when they can.

[jensenRick]

Jan 24, 2012 18:21:19 GMT -5 waggy3015 said:

I wonder if while Sam's in the Asylum, Castiel will come to him, with the intention of trying to fix Sam?

I'm sure a lot of people will feel that the first person Cas should be seeing is Dean. However, Cas could be thinking that if he fixes Sam, that could maybe help him with Dean.

He better NOT!
If Cas comes back, and tries to make amends, and they (BOTH brothers) forgive him and they are all buddy buddy again - It won't bug me in the least.

But if he so much as raises a FINGER to Sam, to help or harm, I am gonna go POSTAL!

[shadowhund]

I just heard that song in my radio during my early coffee before I am heading out to work and it reminded me of Sam and what might come for him. In the end he will find his peace when his soul is going into the light....


Amazing -Aerosmith


I kept the right ones out
And let the wrong ones in
Had an angel of mercy
To see me through all my sin
There were times in my life
When I was goin insane
Tryin' to walk through the pain

When I lost my grip
And I hit the floor
I thought I could leave
But I couldn't get out the door
I was so sick and tired
Of livin' a lie
I was wishin' that I would die

Its amazing
With the blink of an eye
I finally saw the light
Its amazing
That when the moment arrives
You know you'll be alright
Its amazing
And I'm sayin' a prayer
For the desperate hearts tonight

That one last shots a permanent vacation
And how high can you fly with broken wings
Lifes a journey not a destination
And I just can't tell just what tomorrow brings

You have to learn to crawl
Before you learn to walk
But I just couldn't listen
To all that rightous talk
I was out on the street
Tryin'a survive
Scratchen to stay alive

Its amazing
With the blink of an eye
I finally saw the light
Its amazing
That when the moment arrives
You know you'll be alright
Its amazing
And I'm sayin' a prayer
For the desperate hearts tonight

[CaptainBill]

Jan 24, 2012 23:13:24 GMT -5 jensenRick said:

But if he so much as raises a FINGER to Sam, to help or harm, I am gonna go POSTAL!

*rooting around my stash* If Cas so much look at or think about Sam......*find the Smith and Wesson Model 1006* .... so help me Diety I will shove this up in Cas where the sun don't shine.

[jensenRick]

Jan 25, 2012 22:34:38 GMT -5 CaptainBill said:

Jan 24, 2012 23:13:24 GMT -5 jensenRick said:

But if he so much as raises a FINGER to Sam, to help or harm, I am gonna go POSTAL!

*rooting around my stash* If Cas so much look at or think about Sam......*find the Smith and Wesson Model 1006* .... so help me Diety I will shove this up in Cas where the sun don't shine.

Pass me some ammo too, will ya?

P.S. - dude, you better get a avatar, or you are gonna get Beiber'd

[Tinker]

Oh, would you look at that! You tried to tell him, too...
10 Posts, and no avatar, it was bound to happen.

[MariaARIS3]

Jan 26, 2012 2:39:15 GMT -5 Tinker said:

Oh, would you look at that! You tried to tell him, too...
10 Posts, and no avatar, it was bound to happen.

Oh, my God!!! I can't believe that you're actually doing this to people!

[CaptainBill]

haha, I was actually considering keeping the Beiber thinking I would look cool to my youngest, but she informed me this morning "um, no." so the people have spoken.

[sarahg6]

Jan 26, 2012 7:25:43 GMT -5 CaptainBill said:

haha, I was actually considering keeping the Beiber thinking I would look cool to my youngest, but she informed me this morning "um, no." so the people have spoken.

Hello Bill. Glad to see you. They do love to beiber around here!

[jaredisawesome]

Hello everyone. I am coming into this thread a little late but I thought every body's ideas were interesting. Personally, I am not sure how Sam will be put into the asylum but for Dean to have him committed Sam's behavior or breakdown would have to really scare Dean. As already mentioned in one of the articles Jared talks about Sam going crazy and others seeing that. I know the episode with the clowns and Lucifer returning are coming up soon so maybe these events trigger his breakdown as well as Sam not sleeping. I agreed with Dean back in 7.03 that the other shoe would drop for Sam.

At first I was thinking to myself would Sam voluntarily check himself into an asylum and then thought how hard that would be for him to do unless he stopped to think he was a danger to himself and others. I still am under the impression while he is in there he is acting crazy. There are so many possibilities that could take place.

Cas returns to the show during this episode but in what capacity. I also hope that even though he comes back that we stay somewhat focused on what has happened to Sam and his mental state. I am really excited that we are going to see this happening in some form. I do want to see some brotherly moments with Sam and Dean during this episode because this is so big. There could be some good emotion and angst for Sam and Dean with Sam having a breakdown.

I also read the article and that Jared was only going to be off work for a few days. I did not take it as he was missing any of the last episodes at all. That was how I interpreted what he said. I just can't believe how fast time is moving and that before we know it Season 7 will be over and fingers crossed we have Season 8.

[waggy3015]

I just had a thought, what if it's sort of like Sam, Interrupted and both boys try to get committed, but they only take Sam?

Then at the end, after they stop the monster and Dean's ready to get Sam out, they won't let Dean take him?

[DeanandSam]

Jan 27, 2012 19:12:38 GMT -5 waggy3015 said:

I just had a thought, what if it's sort of like Sam, Interrupted and both boys try to get committed, but they only take Sam?

Then at the end, after they stop the monster and Dean's ready to get Sam out, they won't let Dean take him?

I Love that Idea. Somebody should write a fanfic out of it , It'a a possible idea of what could happen in episode 17. They start filming this Monday. Very excited...also scared.