Aeryn
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Post by Aeryn on Feb 7, 2012 20:57:19 GMT -5
Wow, how the mighty have fallen. This season of the show has been cringe-worthy, juvenile, and just plain idiotic. Silly storylines, badly written episodes, and stupid characters. Any guest star who is desperate enough to appear during this season is either drunk, in the midst of a psychotic break, or has a REALLY bad agent.
It appears that the writers are assuming that fans are so hooked on the show, they'll happily tune in to anything as long as Sam and Dean are involved. And the sad thing is, it looks as though the writers could be correct!
This season sucks ass. There's no getting around that fact. Nothing new or creative is happening. Each episode is a snooze fest. In fact, if the CW really wants to do a public service, they'd provide barf bags to every viewer right before a new episode.
Supernatural used to be an AMAZING show. Now it's an embarassment...a fucking joke without a punchline. I only pray that the rumours of a S8 are just that; rumours.
They should never have gotten rid of Castiel. Whoever made that decision should have their private parts eaten by fire ants. Then their eyes should be gouged out with hot pokers.
Castiel may have started out as a recurring character, but whether you like it or not, he became a part of the Winchester family. He was loved by so many fans, you'd think that he'd be around forever. But noooooo...it was too good to last. And now the show is circling the drain.
Grrrr.
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DeanandSam
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Aeryn, I ask myself the same thing, "Why the fuck am I still here?"[k4r][C01:003300]
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Post by DeanandSam on Feb 7, 2012 23:32:56 GMT -5
Wow, how the mighty have fallen. This season of the show has been cringe-worthy, juvenile, and just plain idiotic. Silly storylines, badly written episodes, and stupid characters. Any guest star who is desperate enough to appear during this season is either drunk, in the midst of a psychotic break, or has a REALLY bad agent. It appears that the writers are assuming that fans are so hooked on the show, they'll happily tune in to anything as long as Sam and Dean are involved. And the sad thing is, it looks as though the writers could be correct! This season sucks ass. There's no getting around that fact. Nothing new or creative is happening. Each episode is a snooze fest. In fact, if the CW really wants to do a public service, they'd provide barf bags to every viewer right before a new episode. Supernatural used to be an AMAZING show. Now it's an embarassment...a fucking joke without a punchline. I only pray that the rumours of a S8 are just that; rumours. They should never have gotten rid of Castiel. Whoever made that decision should have their private parts eaten by fire ants. Then their eyes should be gouged out with hot pokers. Castiel may have started out as a recurring character, but whether you like it or not, he became a part of the Winchester family. He was loved by so many fans, you'd think that he'd be around forever. But noooooo...it was too good to last. And now the show is circling the drain. Grrrr. Only want to reply with that I agree with some of what you said. Not the, they should never have gotten rid of Cas, I think Cas is fine being where ever the hell he is. What I do agree with is that this season as a whole has been a huge let down. It has nothing to do with Cas, nothing to do with the way Jensen and Jared are playing the characters, but more to do with the story line and the direction. There is no cohesive storytelling in this. It started out with a bang, and just has been going down hill fast. So much filler episodes that were dumb and didn't fit in to anything, it's like they are just writing whatever. Earlier seasons had a storyline from the begeining, even season 6 did! and it slowly led up to the big reveal, but it did so with having episodes that ended with meaning and a real plot. For some reason I like to focus on the negative
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Post by benson35 on Feb 7, 2012 23:40:19 GMT -5
I think its a million x better without that hanger on secondary story steeling character. I mean he couldn't even conjure up his own unique relationship or storyline to enter the world. He was unnecessary and he isn't universally loved. In fact most were happy he was gone. And most don't care if he ever comes back.
Jensen and Jared are incredible together and are now able to flow their storylines and mesh them together. I'm LOVING it...its been the best storyline since the first season where it was bright and new and shiney and about family.
Family = The winchesters if your not a Winchesters your hardly their family. The guest stars have been amazing and it shows with the performance of the J's. when they are allowed to act with amazing actors it ups the stakes and you can tell the excitment around them.
WHAT A SEASON!!!!
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Post by 1027phoenix on Feb 8, 2012 8:53:39 GMT -5
I think its a million x better without that hanger on secondary story steeling character. I mean he couldn't even conjure up his own unique relationship or storyline to enter the world. He was unnecessary and he isn't universally loved. In fact most were happy he was gone. And most don't care if he ever comes back. Jensen and Jared are incredible together and are now able to flow their storylines and mesh them together. I'm LOVING it...its been the best storyline since the first season where it was bright and new and shiney and about family. Family = The winchesters if your not a Winchesters your hardly their family. The guest stars have been amazing and it shows with the performance of the J's. when they are allowed to act with amazing actors it ups the stakes and you can tell the excitment around them. WHAT A SEASON!!!! I agree with you. The J's are the story and should remain that. This is the best season since season 3, imo.
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SoCal
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Post by SoCal on Feb 8, 2012 11:25:28 GMT -5
You know, after 100+ episodes, it must be hard to write new stories that are as good as past ones. Plus, older episodes had the novelty of introducing new things: demons, angels, vampires, werewolves, etc and there aren't many new bad guys to surprise us with. I thought the Leviathins were a stroke of genius, but, so far, they've left us hanging a little. But I'm willing to wait to see how the season plays out. Remember, season 1 gave us the awful "Bugs." Let's cut season 7 a little slack.
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DeanandSam
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Post by DeanandSam on Feb 8, 2012 13:44:35 GMT -5
I don't want to create a thread for this, but I do want to ask how many people here post at IMDB? I only wonder because I don't post there, but I do look at the threads and stuff, I saw many usersnames from here post over there. I didn't pay attention much, but I hope none of you guys contribute to the Jared/Sam bashing. I see a lot of it on that board, and i do MEAN A LOT.
Some may say that Bensen is horrible for being awful with her posts about Misha/Cas, but nothing compares to the kind of bashing that I have seen on Jared/Sam. It is extreme, and I am seeing it more on IMDB than anywhere else.
That's all I wanted to say, was that I hope that nobody here forms another identity on another board and bashing a character and actor that they say they "Supposedly" love here.
It's a bit hypocritical to be honest.
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anicat
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Post by anicat on Feb 8, 2012 14:17:12 GMT -5
Thank you Aeryn for the concise summary! I don't think it's the worst piece of crap ever....at least in comparison to other shows' seasons. But lining up the seasons and judging them against themselves, yes I don't see the magic this year that was present in most seasons past. S06 was the start of the downfall, and it has continued to slide backwards into a disconnected mess. To be fair, SPN was never a tightly serialized show, or meant to be...not like Heroes or Lost where there was a sense that you were watching a graphic novel, and each episode was a new issue, picking up where the last left off, something that had to be seen in order or you'd miss big hunks of story. But there was still a coherent and cohesive storyline arc that was spun out over the season, each episode adding a tiny bit to the overall puzzle. A lesson learned or an experience in a MOTW ep could come back as a reference or whatever later on. So even if the episodes didn't directly tie together, there was still a thread somewhere in there that connected them all to each other. Right now, the only connection I can really find is in the opening Then/Now. A couple of mentions here and there: Bobby, Cas, the flask, Rufus...but they're just mentions and not something more substantial to the story, do you see what I mean? Fringe is set up much more like SPN, and so is "Person of Interest"...most episodes can be taken as stand-alones, but for a fan that watches every week it is like seeing a puzzle slowly being put together. Each ep builds on the one before. My regret is that SPN used to be like that, S01-5, but now is not. It's probably a coming together of several things: showrunner change over from Kripke to Gamble, old writers moving on and replaced with new, end of a massive 5-year arc. We got to the edge of the cliff in the S05 finale, world was saved, mission accomplished...and stepped back to say: okay, what now? And there wasn't a plan for another multi-year arc waiting on the table. Or at least, that's sure how it seems from here at ground level. And at that point, the storyline seems to have been spent drifting from one episode to the next, more so this year than last, maybe because Kripke stepped in to help and he is a fantastic storyteller, knowing how to write across a spread of multiple issues in a graphic novel, as it were. I have to wonder, if Fringe is renewed (and I hope it is!!) if it too will suffer when it reaches the end of its multi-year arc. Fringe's arc isn't as defined as SPN's was, but still. At some point the original arc will wrap and then it will face that "where do we take the story from here?' point. Person of Interest will have less struggle with that, due to the nature of its particular set up, but at some point something other larger conflict will have to be brought in because all the smaller ones have either been resolved or become static, and the story can't move on. Maybe the Levis were meant to be that larger conflict in SPN, but thanks to the poorly connected and cohesive storyline this year, that conflict has only been a shadow on the wall that vanishes when the lights come on. I came up with a possible storyline for a S08, based on the current scattershot path + what looks to be coming with Cas...maybe I'll share it here. I would be fascinated, and glued to the screen...ah well. If only I were a writer and not an artist.
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Post by SoCal on Feb 8, 2012 14:37:02 GMT -5
You know, after 100+ episodes, it must be hard to write new stories that are as good as past ones. Plus, older episodes had the novelty of introducing new things: demons, angels, vampires, werewolves, etc and there aren't many new bad guys to surprise us with. I thought the Leviathins were a stroke of genius, but, so far, they've left us hanging a little. But I'm willing to wait to see how the season plays out. Remember, season 1 gave us the awful "Bugs." Let's cut season 7 a little slack. You know I'm kinda picky and I have to say Bugs isn't that bad. Route 666 and SwapMeat were far worse. Yeah, gotta agree. "Route 666" was buckets of bad. Whoever wrote that and whoever approved it for filming should be run out of town.
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Post by anicat on Feb 8, 2012 17:21:01 GMT -5
Yeah, gotta agree. "Route 666" was buckets of bad. Whoever wrote that and whoever approved it for filming should be run out of town. What?! Love for monster bad-ass trucks! I live in the South, if you don't like BAMF trucks you get escorted to the nearest northern border and asked to leave and not come back. ;D
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Post by pentadactyl on Feb 8, 2012 17:54:15 GMT -5
So, I usually avoid TWOP as if it were the plague. But I've been reading it the past couple of days (let's call it morbid curiosity) and I found a comment I liked:
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Post by anicat on Feb 8, 2012 19:10:38 GMT -5
I don't think it's that bad! But the comment is right about one thing: the serious need to shake up the storylines. Maybe the Levis were meant to be that, but there really isn't any visible follow-through. Like Apocalypse 2 last season, but worse. There needs to be some sort of new major element added, a new dynamic to the story, not just a new Big Bad. Me: I'd like to see the government finally becoming aware of the existence of the supernatural world, angels & demons, monsters, witches...the whole lot. Hunters get caught in the middle, maybe conscripted to act as advisers, maybe hunted themselves for knowing too much and being so secretive about their covert fight. Military capturing/studying the various beings and creatures for study, use in military/secret agencies, etc. Yeah, original nature of MOTW would be drastically changed, but maybe something like that is needed to give an aging show a fresh dynamic. A whole new world of intrigue and level of dealing with the supernatural forces, plus interactions with military/government...new faces, new friends/allies/enemies...IDK but I'd be glued to the tv for a show like that.
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SoCal
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Post by SoCal on Feb 8, 2012 20:09:46 GMT -5
Yeah, gotta agree. "Route 666" was buckets of bad. Whoever wrote that and whoever approved it for filming should be run out of town. What?! Love for monster bad-ass trucks! I live in the South, if you don't like BAMF trucks you get escorted to the nearest northern border and asked to leave and not come back. ;D No slap a monster trucks was intended. but you have to admit, the whole premise for the episode was stupid. At least that's what I think. And no one has a bigger car culture than southern California!
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Post by yimhappy on Feb 8, 2012 21:19:02 GMT -5
Aeryn,
I love your poetic descriptions of how bad S7 is. I can't even bring myself to watch it anymore. I want to keep my good memories of Sam/Dean.
I don't blame the guest stars though. Acting is an extremely unsecure profession. Take work where & if you can get it. The vast majority are NOT stars like J2.
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Post by isitfridayyet on Feb 8, 2012 21:40:31 GMT -5
On my Season 1 DVD where Route666 episode should be listed, it says "Really? You want to watch the episode about the racist truck?"
Haha. No it doesn't but it should! Worst episode EVER.
Season 7 is..mreh..bland for me. There are some winning episodes like MTNB and HCW..and of course TAT...but I think the writers are running out of steam. And yes..killing off Castiel was a mistake.
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Post by evilsquirre1 on Feb 8, 2012 23:48:12 GMT -5
Wow, how the mighty have fallen. This season of the show has been cringe-worthy, juvenile, and just plain idiotic. Silly storylines, badly written episodes, and stupid characters. Any guest star who is desperate enough to appear during this season is either drunk, in the midst of a psychotic break, or has a REALLY bad agent. It appears that the writers are assuming that fans are so hooked on the show, they'll happily tune in to anything as long as Sam and Dean are involved. And the sad thing is, it looks as though the writers could be correct! This season sucks ass. There's no getting around that fact. Nothing new or creative is happening. Each episode is a snooze fest. In fact, if the CW really wants to do a public service, they'd provide barf bags to every viewer right before a new episode. Supernatural used to be an AMAZING show. Now it's an embarassment...a fucking joke without a punchline. I only pray that the rumours of a S8 are just that; rumours. They should never have gotten rid of Castiel. Whoever made that decision should have their private parts eaten by fire ants. Then their eyes should be gouged out with hot pokers. Castiel may have started out as a recurring character, but whether you like it or not, he became a part of the Winchester family. He was loved by so many fans, you'd think that he'd be around forever. But noooooo...it was too good to last. And now the show is circling the drain. Grrrr. l like it. In fact I'm enjoying this season much more than season six. More of a main theme; I feel season six was a bit unfocused and all over the place.
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Post by lala2 on Feb 9, 2012 5:34:19 GMT -5
First, I loved "Route 666" and have never understood the hate for it. It was the MOST watched episode of Supernatural ever, and will likely always hold that title. I loved Cassie/Dean. Thought they had loads of chemistry. I'm black, and my parents are from the South so a "racist truck" never bothered me. A possessed car is not a new concept. I've never really understood the hate. Had no problem w/"Bugs" either. Did daybreak come awfully soon in that episode? Yes, but so what? LOL! Never bothered me.
This season is awful, IMO. I know many hated Season 6, but it was far more enjoyable to me than this season. I know some think Kripke leaving was the problem, but I didn't like Season 5 of the show either. Season 5 was very similar to this season in that there were far too many filler episodes. Honestly, from 7.03 to this last episode, IMO, has been nothing more than filler. Dean's emotional arc has gone nowhere. I can't wait until it wraps up. Sam's story was stopped in its tracks.
The problem for me is not Castiel being dead (though I liked the character) or even Bobby being dead but the lack of an overall storyline. There doesn't seem to be any direction to this season, and say what you will about S6, but there was an overall story in S6. In fact, there were several stories. This season seems to be spinning its wheels. So far, I think I would rank this season dead last in terms of my favorite seasons.
That said, oddly enough, I find the individual episodes to be entertaining. There's honestly only one episode of Supernatural I actively dislike and that's "Fallen Idols," and that's b/c of the off characterizations of Sam and Dean and the bad wrap up of their "breakup." The episodes aren't horrible, but this season is just not coming together for me!
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Post by SoCal on Feb 9, 2012 12:51:19 GMT -5
I thought season 6 had WAY too many stories going on, and in a season with only 22 episodes, wasn't able to flesh them out as much as I would have liked. I mean in less than a full season, we had a new branch of the family introduced and completely killed off without getting to know them better. O well, I'm sure it frustrates the creators/writers, too.
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Post by lala2 on Feb 9, 2012 19:47:16 GMT -5
I thought season 6 had WAY too many stories going on, and in a season with only 22 episodes, wasn't able to flesh them out as much as I would have liked. I mean in less than a full season, we had a new branch of the family introduced and completely killed off without getting to know them better. O well, I'm sure it frustrates the creators/writers, too. I agree w/you about the number of storylines in Season 6, but oddly enough, I still feel that season had more "direction" than this season. I don't know. This season just feels aimless to me. I felt the same way about Season 5. I don't dislike any of the episodes, but as a whole, it's just not coming together for me. Maybe if the Leviathans had more of a presence in the show, it would feel like it's going somewhere but we've barely seen them! I also feel like 98% of the season, thus far, has been pointless filler. The next episode seems to be more of the same. I'm sure I'll enjoy the episode, but will it further the plot, any plot . . . I don't know!
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Post by yimhappy on Feb 9, 2012 20:04:46 GMT -5
Yim your sig is neat. What is it from? Thank you. I cropped the pic from web site that had "Magic cards" with googly eyes pasted onto them. Some awesome scary monsters with silly eyes. I don't remember, and can't credit the site . A link to this site was circulating on Twitter one day...
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