Separated boys...Again

[DeanandSam]

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This is my interpretation of what is going to happen. Not at ALL actual facts. But I feel as tough it's same who is going to be leaving on the airplane. This would put Sam far away working out his own issues, him leaving at the end of episode 20, because that is what they are filming right now. Jensen once said they film that last scenes of an episode first. So I am going with this happening at the end of the episode. Misha is coming back for episode 21, I think, because let's face it Ben Edlund, who is directing and writing episode 21, is going to want his favorite in it. So even though Jared will be in episode 21, he will probably only be there for a scene or two. It works out so he can be with his baby.

What I am going to say is going to upset Socal so much, so you might want to stop reading at this point , but even though this is a valid reason for Jared to be able to spend time with his son, Sam in general has been misused all season, and the last two seasons. The network and writers have been putting Dean and Cas in to working together little by little to see how fans react to their partnership, but I did not enjoy this experiment with shifting the characters in season 5, I am not going to like it now. Episode 21 is a a sure I will be skipping. I ain't even sorry.

[SoCal]

DandS, you're not upsetting me, I think you're upsetting yourself!

As much as I love to read spoiler and snippets of upcoming episodes, I am reminded of just how often the show's writers/creators have misled us. They have an evil sense of humor.

I do agree with you that the soullesSam/LuciSam storyline is not being handled very well. They hit us with Sam "in flames" and then don't mention it again for a number of episodes where Sam seems to be his old self.
I felt the same way about Dean after he was pulled out of Hell. Sheesh, within the first episode, he was back to hunting like he had never suffered in Hell at all. The tiny glimpses of his eyes, darting back and forth in what appears to be blood were less than satisfying. And I voiced loudly my complaints about the endings of several episodes where, although nothing about Hell had been mentioned in the episode, Sam and Dean would be found leaning against the Impala while Dean tossed out about 30 seconds of what he went through. Pretty lame.

A least we got to follow Sam through several episodes of soullessness and the slow build-up to it's being discovered and then the pushing it back in by Death.

I could go on and on, but that should be enough to chew on for now....

[lemongrover]

I think you're just worrying for worry sake. I completely agree that Sam has been misused all season. It's been so disheartening. But Ben Edlund has been the one writing some of the only episodes that have dealt with Sam this season. He did a wonderful job with "Hello Cruel World" and "Repo Man." Both more Sam focused and involved Sam's hell. But I know there is a popular belief that Castiel is Ben Edlund's favorite. However, I don't think it's true or at least it doesn't seem to impact this work. There are times I think that Ben Edlund is just off in his own little world and has no interest in caring one way or another about the characters, just let him write.

I have no idea what is going on with the writers. I have no clue who thought it would be a good idea of having Dean depression in the forefront for four seasons and Sam's hell story drop and just mention when it was convenient. Probably the same person who thought it was great to kill everyone off to isolate the brothers and drop the Impala.

Still, Castiel returning in episode 21 doesn't mean that Sam is going to be dropped. I know there are episodes where it seems like Dean and Castiel are the new partnership the show wants. (Which is totally lame for a number of reasons) Sometimes it bothers me too. But I think with the Leviathans, the show will focus more on that.

I'm not sure how to feel about Castiel at this point. Most of the time I like him. But he does prove something that I wish didn't exist on this show: the unbalance between the brothers.

I do think the show needs supporting characters, but I think there should be supporting characters for each one of the brothers and not just one. Like if Dean gets Castiel as a "profound bond" friend, then Sam needs a friend too. It shouldn't be so unbalanced. (Well, Team Free Will shouldn't of had four plays and half of the team like Dean better. But then again, we should have never known Bobby had a favorite, because I don't think it's right for a father figure to have a favorite.) I think that is the major problem with Castiel. Dean needs someone outside of the brotherhood, but Sam doesn't? Sam only gets monsters? I think at times Castiel represents for some the gross unbalance the show is when it comes to the brothers emotions and personal connections. I've Destiel shippers like Sam for the only reason that Sam gets Dean and Castiel to hook up and then goes off alone. Alone? I would like those shippers better if Sam wasn't off being alone somewhere. But I guess now, it's the big joke of the show. Sam gets close to someone and they're killed.

I think the show could do themselves a world of good if they just gave Sam a human friend or human love interest. Someone to explore a relationship and personal side of the character of Sam. It would help grow the character of Sam and allow for things to not look so much in the favor of Dean.

Why does Dean always have to be the character that every human loves or interacts with? And Castiel is the epitome of that unbalance, which is a complete and totally shame and waste, because Sam and Castiel have good chemistry and screen time. Look at "On the Head of a Pin," "Children are the Future", and "Cage Heat" the two of them fighting is way more interesting and intimidating and doesn't have the undertone of a lover's spat. Or "Like a Virgin," and "99 Problems" where they seem like friends trying to help each other. They have a pleasant relationship and it isn't full of drama or some type of subtext. That is enjoyable to watch!

It doesn't alway have to be Castiel and Dean fighting or Dean making fun of Castiel. There are times I don't understand why Castiel likes Dean better other than Castiel recused him. Because Dean can be such a jerk and user to him. I don't know, but I really don't like the way Dean and Castiel's relationship impacts Dean's character at times. But then again I really miss pre-hell Dean, so my judgement is so clouded when it comes to Dean.

[jensenRick]

Mar 7, 2012 16:06:23 GMT -5 lemongrover said:

I'm not sure how to feel about Castiel at this point. Most of the time I like him. But he does prove something that I wish didn't exist on this show: the unbalance between the brothers.

I do think the show needs supporting characters, but I think there should be supporting characters for each one of the brothers and not just one. Like if Dean gets Castiel as a "profound bond" friend, then Sam needs a friend too. It shouldn't be so unbalanced. (Well, Team Free Will shouldn't of had four plays and half of the team like Dean better. But then again, we should have never known Bobby had a favorite, because I don't think it's right for a father figure to have a favorite.) I think that is the major problem with Castiel. Dean needs someone outside of the brotherhood, but Sam doesn't? Sam only gets monsters? I think at times Castiel represents for some the gross unbalance the show is when it comes to the brothers emotions and personal connections. I've Destiel shippers like Sam for the only reason that Sam gets Dean and Castiel to hook up and then goes off alone. Alone? I would like those shippers better if Sam wasn't off being alone somewhere. But I guess now, it's the big joke of the show. Sam gets close to someone and they're killed.

I think the show could do themselves a world of good if they just gave Sam a human friend or human love interest. Someone to explore a relationship and personal side of the character of Sam. It would help grow the character of Sam and allow for things to not look so much in the favor of Dean.

Why does Dean always have to be the character that every human loves or interacts with? And Castiel is the epitome of that unbalance, which is a complete and totally shame and waste, because Sam and Castiel have good chemistry and screen time. Look at "On the Head of a Pin," "Children are the Future", and "Cage Heat" the two of them fighting is way more interesting and intimidating and doesn't have the undertone of a lover's spat. Or "Like a Virgin," and "99 Problems" where they seem like friends trying to help each other. They have a pleasant relationship and it isn't full of drama or some type of subtext. That is enjoyable to watch!

It doesn't alway have to be Castiel and Dean fighting or Dean making fun of Castiel. There are times I don't understand why Castiel likes Dean better other than Castiel recused him. Because Dean can be such a jerk and user to him. I don't know, but I really don't like the way Dean and Castiel's relationship impacts Dean's character at times. But then again I really miss pre-hell Dean, so my judgement is so clouded when it comes to Dean.

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[shadowhund]

Mar 10, 2012 0:42:58 GMT -5 jensenRick said:

Mar 7, 2012 16:06:23 GMT -5 lemongrover said:

I'm not sure how to feel about Castiel at this point. Most of the time I like him. But he does prove something that I wish didn't exist on this show: the unbalance between the brothers.

I do think the show needs supporting characters, but I think there should be supporting characters for each one of the brothers and not just one. Like if Dean gets Castiel as a "profound bond" friend, then Sam needs a friend too. It shouldn't be so unbalanced. (Well, Team Free Will shouldn't of had four plays and half of the team like Dean better. But then again, we should have never known Bobby had a favorite, because I don't think it's right for a father figure to have a favorite.) I think that is the major problem with Castiel. Dean needs someone outside of the brotherhood, but Sam doesn't? Sam only gets monsters? I think at times Castiel represents for some the gross unbalance the show is when it comes to the brothers emotions and personal connections. I've Destiel shippers like Sam for the only reason that Sam gets Dean and Castiel to hook up and then goes off alone. Alone? I would like those shippers better if Sam wasn't off being alone somewhere. But I guess now, it's the big joke of the show. Sam gets close to someone and they're killed.

I think the show could do themselves a world of good if they just gave Sam a human friend or human love interest. Someone to explore a relationship and personal side of the character of Sam. It would help grow the character of Sam and allow for things to not look so much in the favor of Dean.

Why does Dean always have to be the character that every human loves or interacts with? And Castiel is the epitome of that unbalance, which is a complete and totally shame and waste, because Sam and Castiel have good chemistry and screen time. Look at "On the Head of a Pin," "Children are the Future", and "Cage Heat" the two of them fighting is way more interesting and intimidating and doesn't have the undertone of a lover's spat. Or "Like a Virgin," and "99 Problems" where they seem like friends trying to help each other. They have a pleasant relationship and it isn't full of drama or some type of subtext. That is enjoyable to watch!

It doesn't alway have to be Castiel and Dean fighting or Dean making fun of Castiel. There are times I don't understand why Castiel likes Dean better other than Castiel recused him. Because Dean can be such a jerk and user to him. I don't know, but I really don't like the way Dean and Castiel's relationship impacts Dean's character at times. But then again I really miss pre-hell Dean, so my judgement is so clouded when it comes to Dean.

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Hi lemongrover!

I read your post already a few days ago but didn't answer till now. I want to say that your words are match!!!

[shadowhund]

When the brothers go seperate ways maybe we get finally more Sam insight. The brothers are together and we had no clue how Sam managed!

[ravanne]

When have we ever gotten any Sam insight when Dean and Castiel are paired up? Seriously? When has Sam been anything more than scenery at worst or a plot device at best when Dean and Castiel are in the same room?

What bothers me most about this whole thing is that everything that happens with Sam's storyline this season (such as it is) will be less about Sam himself and more about giving Castiel a means to redemption. If Castiel "heals" Sam (and I really pray that the show doesn't go that route but it seems pretty clear that they will), then the whole thing ends up having absolutely nothing to do with Sam's experiences, his sacrifies and his journey. It becomes all about Castiel.

It's sickening to me that Castiel's storyline and importance in the show is superceeding not only Sam's place, but Dean's as well.

[SoCal]

I, for one, am not looking for anymore "Sam insight." I would just like some good episodes that feature the boys fighting against evil shit.

[isitfridayyet]

I can see the worry that some Sam fans are having..really I can. Sam really hasn't gotten much attention this entire season and the writers promised that the second half of the season would be Sam centric. Lo and behold, Sam's storyline seems to be overshadowed by all of the excitement surrounding Castiel's return. I get those frustrations. I also agree that poor Sam does little more than stand around and utter a line or two when Castiel is in the scene because mostly he interacts with Dean. I have to admit, when I heard about his return, I was desperately hoping for some Sam and Cas moments because it's so badly needed. Castiel needs to apologize to Sam for what he did to him. Misha says by the end of the episode, Cas feels very guilty. I am HOPING that this guilt is mostly about Sam's mental state and less about the Leviathans and lying to Dean. Just because Sam is the most empathetic character on the show and would probably welcome Cas back without an apology doesn't mean that one isn't necessary. I believe the character cares deeply for both brothers and it's time for the writers to prove it. Castiel is NOT Dean's Ruby. He's a tragically flawed character who made a series of bad decisions and should be given opportunity to atone and make amends.

As for Sammy..I just hope his individual storyline is handled with care from here on out. It's important to remind viewers that he is a main character as well and we need to know what he's THINKING not just what he's doing or what Dean thinks about what he's doing. There needs to be a balance. I don't think Sam fans are wrong in being upset. The attention given to both characters has been unfairly weighted for a while now. So I get why Sam fans are more pissed than usual about Castiel's return. It diminishes the promise of Sam getting to be front and center. I just hope this isn't the case.

[jensenRick]

Mar 11, 2012 22:37:34 GMT -5 isitfridayyet said:

I can see the worry that some Sam fans are having..really I can. Sam really hasn't gotten much attention this entire season and the writers promised that the second half of the season would be Sam centric. Lo and behold, Sam's storyline seems to be overshadowed by all of the excitement surrounding Castiel's return. I get those frustrations. I also agree that poor Sam does little more than stand around and utter a line or two when Castiel is in the scene because mostly he interacts with Dean. I have to admit, when I heard about his return, I was desperately hoping for some Sam and Cas moments because it's so badly needed. Castiel needs to apologize to Sam for what he did to him. Misha says by the end of the episode, Cas feels very guilty. I am HOPING that this guilt is mostly about Sam's mental state and less about the Leviathans and lying to Dean. Just because Sam is the most empathetic character on the show and would probably welcome Cas back without an apology doesn't mean that one isn't necessary. I believe the character cares deeply for both brothers and it's time for the writers to prove it. Castiel is NOT Dean's Ruby. He's a tragically flawed character who made a series of bad decisions and should be given opportunity to atone and make amends.

As for Sammy..I just hope his individual storyline is handled with care from here on out. It's important to remind viewers that he is a main character as well and we need to know what he's THINKING not just what he's doing or what Dean thinks about what he's doing. There needs to be a balance. I don't think Sam fans are wrong in being upset. The attention given to both characters has been unfairly weighted for a while now. So I get why Sam fans are more pissed than usual about Castiel's return. It diminishes the promise of Sam getting to be front and center. I just hope this isn't the case.

[isitfridayyet]

[SoCal]

Holy crap! That is the scariest looking dog I've seen in a while.

[etmogul]

Mar 10, 2012 19:20:07 GMT -5 SoCal said:

I, for one, am not looking for anymore "Sam insight." I would just like some good episodes that feature the boys fighting against evil shit.

I wholeheartedly agree! Make this Leviathan storyline exciting, lets go to war!

[SoCal]

Mar 19, 2012 2:31:54 GMT -5 etmogul said:

Mar 10, 2012 19:20:07 GMT -5 SoCal said:

I, for one, am not looking for anymore "Sam insight." I would just like some good episodes that feature the boys fighting against evil shit.

I wholeheartedly agree! Make this Leviathan storyline exciting, lets go to war!

All right!!! An army of two!! You bring the pitchforks, I'll bring the jedi squirrel army!