CFC (Please Read 1st Post)

[purpledragon1229]

Ok so I rented that 'Karla' movie that Misha was in. Turns out it's based on a true story about a case I was kinda familiar with in Ontario, Canada. This couple ends up getting the girl's sister drunk during Christmas and they bad touch her and she ends dying because they gave her too much ether. The boyfriend was the Scarborough rapist. They ended up killing a couple other girls as well.

The movie was terrible. It was really slow and it was told from the POV of the woman who was trying to be paroled so of course she put most of the blame on the BF.

Misha was terrifying as the evil BF! I'm glad he was only pretending!

I remember reading on the CWL that someone wanted to watch it but thought it would be too scary; it's not. It's really a Lifetime movie with sex and bad words.

Just thought I'd share that with you all.




Edited by Purpledragon1229 to add:This is NOT a debate thread! Please do not discuss anything but love for Castiel. If you have issues w/writing or screen time please start another thread.

Also please read post #184 located on this page
http://displacedcwloungefan.proboards.co....read=439&page=7

Thank you the Management.

[magoghair]

Thanks @purpledragon!!

I always thought misha could pull off really dark and scary...its why I kinda wanted more of a dark cas....

[KristinPhoenix]

Misha himself even discourages people from watching Karla, says it was a horrible experience to potray such an evil sadist person and even worse when he found that it was all a real life story and how he didn't like the dark places he had to go to in his head to potray that man accurately.

[yimhappy]

Dec 30, 2011 21:07:09 GMT -5 purpledragon1229 said:

The movie was terrible. It was really slow and it was told from the POV of the woman who was trying to be paroled so of course she put most of the blame on the BF.

Misha was terrifying as the evil BF! I'm glad he was only pretending!

I remember reading on the CWL that someone wanted to watch it but thought it would be too scary; it's not. It's really a Lifetime movie with sex and bad words.

Lifetime movie w/ sex & bad words.
A perfect description.

I agree that Misha is awesome at playing dark & scary. Dark Cas might have worked great.

[yimhappy]

I loved a discussion that anicat & I had on a different forum. I hope that anicat doesn't mind me quoting it here for posterity. I'll start with what I said.
anicat - don't worry, I won't make a habit of quoting other forums here.


Here's a key difference I see between EK & SG. With EK, it seemed like he was pouring his heart & soul into it. The story was deep & personal to him.
I remember some interview where EK talked about how much he loved the end of Swan Song, where blue collar Dean drives up to a fight way above his pay grade, with rock & roll blasting. You could tell that it was all deeply meaningful to him


OTOH, SG has been a hard worker, there from the beginning. She wants to do a good job, and enjoys playing with the Winchester's story.
But... I don't sense the "heart & soul" deep devotion that would make the boys story mythic. Total devotion brings forth a story that hits us at the heart level, rather than just an hour's entertainment.

If SG doesn't pour her soul into it, there's no soul in the story.
We just get the surface things, good lines, twists, fun moments, gorgeous J2+their acting, mystery, action, & maybe a blood rush. But, it was the soul part that put SPN above other TV, for me anyway.

In any creative effort, the person responsible for the vision has the most vested interest, and chances are has been living with the characters and their world in his/her head for a long time...that person knows and loves them best, and other creative people drawn in to help execute may or may not be able to fully "get" the story to that same degree.

Ever read Clive Cussler's books? Or Anne McCaffrey's Pern series? Both authors created these fully developed worlds and characters, but now that they're sharing the writing with other authors who are playing in their sandbox, the stories aren't as consistent...some are excellent, some are awful. Eric had the vision, had the drive and dedication to tell his story, his way, and was able to engage the other writers enough that even the weaker stories still held true in most respects to be able to fit into the overall direction of the smaller and larger arcs.

But SG is coming in without being that original creative dreamer who can see it all in her head, she's had to learn second-hand....and the passion that Eric had isn't as much a part of her soul because it wasn't her dream, it was Eric's. She might be able to copy the drive to a degree, but it never will be the same as being the one to have had the vision to start with.

I can only guess that she might have had a general outline for the season, but the way I've heard Eric talk he didn't just have a general outline, he had a specific one, and not for just the one season but two and three seasons down the road. Adjustments were made to the story as things either didn't turn out as great as they might have looked on paper, or when something magic happened that was pure accident: like Misha as Cas. I listened to Eric discuss that in the commentary for "The End".... But since Eric had it all mapped out in his head to start with, he was able to tweak on the fly yet keep the end path in sight. I don't think Sera has the same ability, judging by all the story elements that got tossed/ended without real explanation or reason in S06...meaning making sense within the story, that is. I think it all goes back to the vision thing, that she is now responsible for carrying on the story in the world someone else created, but without that true personal understanding the creator of this SPN world had, she can only try to mimic the vision, rather than feel it deep enough to be able to express it in the way that makes for the fully-engaging experience for all the rest of us.

[yimhappy]

Mags, PurpleDragon, Puppy,
Thanks for the warm welcome. :heart:


I'm not sure many will take advantage.
It's not just past bad blood that keeps us from coming back.
Many CFC Cas fans quit watching SPN, and have stopped being fans.

I'm not saying SPN is a bad show. But for some, it's no longer magic. I usually end up watching, but I've lost that loving feeling. If not for fan friends talking about it, I wouldn't be watching.

Lazarus Rising shook my world. I thought Castiel's arrival scene would never fail to thrill me. Now... I fear some wonderful hope has been taken away. I watched part of Lazurus Rising the other day, and felt nothing. THAT felt so sad to me.

It's not just about Castiel. The Winchester's story meant different things to different people. I think that Maureen Ryan says it well below. I quote the part below where she says that the characterization & story has been so loose that it's easy to walk away from the episode with wildly different opinions.

As much as I loved S4, I hated some of the things they did with Sam. Sex & Violence didn't ring true for me. Plus I never really got Sam's self destructiveness is S4. Anyway, loose characterization gives me a headache that I'm tired of.

But, we can all hope it gets better as S7 goes on. I'm pretty confident S8 will happen too.



Maureen Ryan's quote about how fandom divides when the story doesn't remain true to past character development
www.aoltv.com/2011/12/06/supernatural-season-7-episode-10-deaths-door-winchesters-bobby/


Here's my point, and this is another one of the reasons I don't want to do the weekly reviews these days: The lack of consistency in the writing is leading to more arguments among fans. We are the hardcore folks, the people who are still watching well into the show's seventh season, and many of us are so deeply committed to the positions we've taken on the show and the characters that arguments can get hostile more quickly.

Sure, individuals who can't converse about these matters kindly and politely are partly to blame (of course, the vast majority of you are civil, and I thank you for that). But in my mind, the powers that be behind 'Supernatural' are partly responsible for the current state of affairs. Even if an episode here or there is solid, overall, the writers are doing such an inconsistent job of delivering strong emotional, thematic and storytelling arcs that we as fans often have to fill in the blanks and supply our own interpretations of what's happening. We have to supply the complexity and connective tissue that the show is too often failing to give us.

Because the Winchesters' stories, as individuals and as brothers, have been all over the map, every single fan comes up with "their" backstory and interpretation, and each can come up with a rationale for his or her likes and dislikes. Because the narrative is so diffuse and so often consists of sloppy cover versions of songs we already know, people can and do impose a any number of interpretation on characters and story. It can all be a recipe for chaos.

The end result is that, as I noted, people often appear to be even more attached to their interpretations of events, and when people disagree, the conversation can get unpleasant, even when all parties are well-intentioned.

[magoghair]

Well I'm glad your here yim! I know some have quit watching,and that is sad,but I want those that haven't to feel welcome

[Lostcause]

Hmm, just wathced DD again.

I'm sure it's occured to you guys a lot, but suddenly it struck me that they might have Cas fix bobby?

If he goes vegetarian state on them at any rate.

Might also play into Sam and Dean forgiving Cas.

[yimhappy]

Jan 1, 2012 14:07:13 GMT -5 Lostcause said:

Hmm, just wathced DD again.

I'm sure it's occured to you guys a lot, but suddenly it struck me that they might have Cas fix bobby?

If he goes vegetarian state on them at any rate.

Might also play into Sam and Dean forgiving Cas.

Thanks for the welcome LostCause. It's good to see you again. ;D ;D

Nice theory. I'd love it if Cas could help by healing Bobby. Although it'd also be great if Bobby wasn't in a vegetative state until near the end of the season.

There are some great smilies here.

[magoghair]

I'm a little disappointed I didnt really get my dark cas...I so wouldve loved to see Misha play cas more dark...

Great theory LC,but that brings up the question...shouldnt he fix sam before Bobby?

I mean ok Bobby is more critical at the moment so yeah...but he would have to fix sam too...

or are we going on the assumption that Sam is hunky dory...I mean of course he's hunky...but...is he really ok? to the point that cas would not have to fix him ,if he came back in the right capacity...

I mean for all we know cas is just going to be a flashback...or does anyone have any news stating otherwise?

Glad to see you sticking around yim Hope you end up staying

[Lostcause]

Hai yim! Good to see you here

Mags; I'm not sure Cas can fix Sam now though. I mean Death couldn't either, he could just put the wall up, and it felt like a 1 time thing. Once it's down all hell breaks loose, literally.

So Cas would probably not be able to fix that one, and I am not sure Sam would want to. He would much rather best the devil once again I think, and have his soul whole and working as intended.

[KristinPhoenix]

I'm still here too, I'm far too invested in this show to ever quit it before it's really and truly over.

Just when I think I might be almost out, I get pulled back in one way or another, I just csan't quit it. Plus I still enjoy it most of the time, so there's that too and I wanna keep supporting J2.

But to each his and her own, if you lose the will to watch something, it's better to leave then to stay and be miserable and then make other miserable with complaining.

Bobby's okay, even if he is in a vegetative state, because I'm sure Jodie will be looking after him and Bobby will recover eventually.

Sam's situation is a little more dire and central, plus he DOES owe Sam from breaking the wall in the first place (no matter the reason) so I think IF CAS is back and IF he has his powers, he should fix Sam first.

[magoghair]

You bring up an interesting point LC.....even if we might feel like Cas should heal sam...IF he comes back with those abilities.....

would sam really want him to? I cant say i'd blame him if he didnt want that...I mean it has to suck having someone mess with your head...and if he really is dealing in a good way then why borrow more trouble?

besides sam being the nice guy that he is would probably ask for cas to fix bobby instead....

[Lostcause]

Jan 2, 2012 15:07:21 GMT -5 @magoghair said:

You bring up an interesting point LC.....even if we might feel like Cas should heal sam...IF he comes back with those abilities.....

would sam really want him to? I cant say i'd blame him if he didnt want that...I mean it has to suck having someone mess with your head...and if he really is dealing in a good way then why borrow more trouble?

besides sam being the nice guy that he is would probably ask for cas to fix bobby instead....

Oh yeah Sam would in a heartbeat tell Cas to fix Bobby, if it was a case of Cas having 1 round left in his gun, sort of thing.

But yeah the more I think on it, the more I'm convinced Sam wouldn't want the wall back. Now that he knows, having the wall up again would just be taking part of his mind hostage and begging to be torn down again at some point, making all he's already endured over it happen once more.

Think the most he'd demand in terms of healing, was maybe a way to know what was real and what was fake, beyond the pain-fix he uses now.

[Lostcause]

As for Cas fans, Kristin and yim if you are in contact with former posters - they are more than welcome here! Would love to see the CFC lead the number of posts made again!

There aren't any bias in terms of modding, and nobody wants to see anyone feeling this is the case.

The bad guys here are the CW, everyone else are in the same boat. As Mr Moonlight said it: This action kind of just shook everyone across all the boards more together - let's keep it that way

[isitfridayyet]

*waves*

[magoghair]

Jan 2, 2012 19:25:11 GMT -5 isitfridayyet said:

*waves*

Awesome!! So glad to see you here!!

[isitfridayyet]

Thanks for the welcome. Looking forward to it.

Leesa, can you unsquish my avatar? Or should I try to find another one?

Look at all the dancing 'nannerssss!

[Lostcause]

Jan 2, 2012 19:38:01 GMT -5 @ohleesa said:

I increased the deminsions but it still looks weird to me. I'm on my phone though. Does it look better to you?

I took the liberty of fixing it.

Just because that's the only thing I can do! Woo me!

[isitfridayyet]

THANK YOU!!

[Lostcause]

Jan 2, 2012 19:44:56 GMT -5 @ohleesa said:

Jan 2, 2012 19:42:10 GMT -5 Lostcause said:

I took the liberty of fixing it.

Just because that's the only thing I can do! Woo me!

Show off!

*goes to smite LC*

I am sooo curious as to what those 2 do! It's like I have a big red button that says "do not push"...so...tempting!

[Lostcause]

Jan 2, 2012 19:50:08 GMT -5 isitfridayyet said:

THANK YOU!!

ha you're welcome!


Any news on Cas being in more than the initial 3 episodes, or are they still being dirty secret scoundrels about it all?

[isitfridayyet]

Well, Jim (one of the producers) tweeted a picture of them scouting the lake that was "Castiel's final resting place." I think it was an old picture that was sent to spark the fandom's curiosity. I know a lot of Cas fans are speculating that it may hint that Castiel will be rising from the lake in one of the epis..but there's nothing concrete.

PERSONALLY, I'm hoping we get some more Levi!Cas before they bring Castiel back as himself. There was some serious potential missed in not letting Misha play the big bad. I thought he was great as the Leviathans.

[magoghair]

Jan 2, 2012 20:15:31 GMT -5 isitfridayyet said:

Well, Jim (one of the producers) tweeted a picture of them scouting the lake that was "Castiel's final resting place." I think it was an old picture that was sent to spark the fandom's curiosity. I know a lot of Cas fans are speculating that it may hint that Castiel will be rising from the lake in one of the epis..but there's nothing concrete.

PERSONALLY, I'm hoping we get some more Levi!Cas before they bring Castiel back as himself. There was some serious potential missed in not letting Misha play the big bad. I thought he was great as the Leviathans.

I totally agree!! I was really looking forward to Misha playing levi cas...I have been disappointed in Dick...

wow that just didnt sound right at all

[isitfridayyet]

Oooohhh dear Mags.

Well don't give up hope! I think there's a really good chance that we'll see some Levi!Cas before we see Castiel again. I'm not sure how he'd be able to pull his vessel back together on his own. It seems logical that at least one stayed behind to use his angel mojo. Could be useful?

[magoghair]

Jan 2, 2012 20:25:50 GMT -5 isitfridayyet said:

Oooohhh dear Mags.

Well don't give up hope! I think there's a really good chance that we'll see some Levi!Cas before we see Castiel again. I'm not sure how he'd be able to pull his vessel back together on his own. It seems logical that at least one stayed behind to use his angel mojo. Could be useful?

you should have been here on New Years eve when I figured out the only way to kill dick was to cut the head off Dick...

I have suspicions that sera was venting when she named that guy dick...

[yimhappy]

Jan 2, 2012 13:40:14 GMT -5 KristinPhoenix said:

I'm still here too, I'm far too invested in this show to ever quit it before it's really and truly over.

Just when I think I might be almost out, I get pulled back in one way or another, I just csan't quit it. Plus I still enjoy it most of the time, so there's that too and I wanna keep supporting J2.

But to each his and her own, if you lose the will to watch something, it's better to leave then to stay and be miserable and then make other miserable with complaining.

Bobby's okay, even if he is in a vegetative state, because I'm sure Jodie will be looking after him and Bobby will recover eventually.

Sam's situation is a little more dire and central, plus he DOES owe Sam from breaking the wall in the first place (no matter the reason) so I think IF CAS is back and IF he has his powers, he should fix Sam first.

***happy waves****
Hi KP,

I hope Bobby gets better. Plus I hope that you are rewarded for sticking with SPN thru some disappointments. I always marveled at your capacity for optimism & 'loving everybody' when things got hairy. ;D

If I hated SPN, then I probably would have stayed & shared the passion. I've got something worse, indifference. I don't want anyone to catch that. I hope it isn't contagious.

[yimhappy]

I favored the theory that Cas comes back in dreams, given Misha's "sans underwear" comment, and SG saying Cas/Jimmy's body was destroyed. We'll see.

[isitfridayyet]

Jan 2, 2012 20:28:19 GMT -5 @magoghair said:

Jan 2, 2012 20:25:50 GMT -5 isitfridayyet said:

Oooohhh dear Mags.

Well don't give up hope! I think there's a really good chance that we'll see some Levi!Cas before we see Castiel again. I'm not sure how he'd be able to pull his vessel back together on his own. It seems logical that at least one stayed behind to use his angel mojo. Could be useful?

you should have been here on New Years eve when I figured out the only way to kill dick was to cut the head off Dick...

I have suspicions that sera was venting when she named that guy dick...

It will be very unpleasant for Dick when Dean cuts his head off.

[Lostcause]

Mags at it again!

I'm going to have to start buying big fancy cars with all the talk about chopping off Dicks head.