Re: The Castiel Skeptics Society

[Aeryn]

I'm officially going gay for Rose. :heart:

[Rose]

Feb 15, 2012 23:05:42 GMT -5 benson35 said:

Because that is my right as a skeptic to come in here and wonder what the F bought you in here since your aren't a skeptic.

I think tens is a skeptic, I don't know if she dislikes Castiel but I think more she's about the boys and her theories are always about the boys. The skeptics has never always been about disliking and talking about Castipop. But its about shooting off theories and discussing spoilers.

I'm not sure 'Rose' can do that without bagging one of 'em' (hint it aint Sam)

As for whether I'm a skeptic or not, what the fuck do you know? Stop acting like you know exactly what I am, who I am and everything about me. You don't know half as much as you think you do. In fact, you know NOTHING. If I'm not a skeptic, then why the flying fuck did I just agree with every single thing Spoilerwolf said, along with the Cas stuff included? Seriously... I swear you either read shit with one eye shut or half-ass it. Or maybe you just don't comprehend well considering how much you blow pointless shit out of proportion.

[benson35]

I know your not.

[Rose]

Feb 15, 2012 23:09:39 GMT -5 benson35 said:

I know your not.

Oh you do! Well since you seem to know more about me than I know about myself, elaborate! I'm just DYING to know.

[benson35]

Skeptics get along, they can argue and still get along, they have a common thought with Castipop but ultimately want the best for the show. YOU want the best for Sam...you want the show to be about him and your not low enough to blame Dean, hate Dean and get into Dean every chance you get because you don't see all whats going on.

Take the amulet and your comment about Dean getting rid of it to hurt Sam....ah Dean has a stake in all this too.

Skeptics have respect.

[Rose]

Feb 15, 2012 23:14:44 GMT -5 benson35 said:

Skeptics get along, they can argue and still get along, they have a common thought with Castipop but ultimately want the best for the show. YOU want the best for Sam...you want the show to be about him and your not low enough to blame Dean, hate Dean and get into Dean every chance you get because you don't see all whats going on.

Take the amulet and your comment about Dean getting rid of it to hurt Sam....ah Dean has a stake in all this too.

Skeptics have respect.

Oh, I do? Wow. I didn't know that I wanted the whole show to be just about Sam. And I don't? Really? Wow. These are things I never knew about myself! Do you realize at all how utterly fucking stupid you make yourself sound, Benson? I mean really? Because I'm unhappy with Dean this season, means I hate Dean? Wow. That's a new one. What else do you know about me that I don't know, benson? C'mon! Keep digging that shit outta your ass!

Awww, did I offend you with sordid opinions? Skeptics have respect? LOL Yeah, most of them do, and you certainly aren't one of them. Oh and FYI, there is a massively huge difference between "skeptic" and "obsessed, rabid hater" in case your blindness made you unaware.

[Aeryn]

Feb 15, 2012 23:14:44 GMT -5 benson35 said:

Skeptics get along, they can argue and still get along...skeptics have respect.

Actually, this statement is not completely true. I seem to remember DJ getting pissy if people didn't agree with her opinions...in fact, she pretty much ran Kresnik out of the CSS when it was on the CW site.

Just saying.

[benson35]

You have no idea what happened there Aeryn . j/s

'Rose' you should go back and read your posts. Or the posts you weren't embarrassed enough to not delete.

You weren't a part of CSS at CWL? Why was that?

[Aeryn]

Actually, I do.

[benson35]

No you really don't. lol. Maybe you think you do or someone made you believe you do...but you really don't lol.


SKEPTICS GO BACK A FEW...SPOILER AND TENS HAVE GREAT POSTS AND RAVANNE, CHLOE ETC...SORRY FOR DERAILING.

As usual this is the thread to be

[Rose]

Feb 15, 2012 23:30:19 GMT -5 Rose said:

Feb 15, 2012 23:23:24 GMT -5 benson35 said:

You have no idea what happened there Aeryn . j/s

'Rose' you should go back and read your posts. Or the posts you weren't embarrassed enough to not delete.

You weren't a part of CSS at CWL? Why was that?

LOL Shows how much you know. xD And I haven't deleted any of my posts. The mods have deleted my posts. Not me. Get your facts straight because believe me, I'm not afraid to speak a piece of my mind. I was a part of the CSS until guess what? DJ ran me out just like she ran Kresnik out! Surprised?

[benson35]

SKEPTICS GO BACK A FEW...SPOILER AND TENS HAVE GREAT POSTS AND RAVANNE, CHLOE ETC...SORRY FOR DERAILING.

[Aeryn]

Okay, here's a mini history lesson:

DJ got pissed because Rose wouldn't obey her every wish. Therefore, DJ made it clear that Rose was no longer welcome in the CSS.

Kresnik made an innocent remark about something or other, and DJ got all psycho...she insulted Kresnik to the point where Kres didn't even want to be in the CSS anymore.

End of history lesson.

[JazzBeePrime]

oh rose (sammywsgirl), you never cease to amuse me. i'll be blunt here. the ONLY one i've EVER had a beef with is you, and YOU brought that on yourself. i have no issue with others not liking how the writers are writing dean. what i do have an issue with is when others take his issues and use it to accuse him of"

not being 'manly'

being completely self absorbed (i.e.-caring less for sam)

assuming that he's gonna bend over for a being he's not particularly happy with and doesn't trust (btw, i got THAT from another one of JARED'S interviews, which i will find and post)

not noticing something's off about sam (he suspects, but since sam is hiding it, he doesn't know how bad it is)

like sam, dean is his own person. he;s allowed to have his own issues. his every waking moment does not have to center around somebody else (be it sam, bobby, the freaking impala)

i do not begrudge sam of any of the crap that he's been thru or is going thru. i can see how he's trying to be there for his brother right now. i think that beautifully mirrors how dean has always been there for sam. i guarentee that had any of the things that have been said about dean, been said about sam, all hell would break loose. before it's tossed out there, yes i KNOW sam was given alot of crap in past seasons. hell, i've done my share of defending him. just because i prefer dean doesn't ,mean i like sammy any less. i've also never denied (and have flat out admitted) that i prefer dean.

as for whether i'm a skeptic, to a degree. i still like the character of castiel, but it's the s4 castiel that i like. i'm not a big fan of the current cas. i do question his motives and actions.you don't have to neccessarily hate a character to be a skeptic.

since 'whining' is constantly complaining about the same thing over and over again, i'm afraid i do not qualify for that badge of honor. i will leave that territory soley in your capable hands thanks for thinking of me tho

[JazzBeePrime]

from another interview jared gave zap2it:

zap2it's @cadlymack interviewed jared and this is a snippet of what he had to say about cas' return....

Zap2it: Misha Collins is coming back for a few episodes this season.

Padalecki: Yeah, his first episode is the one where Sam goes crazy. We're so stoked to have him come back. So, so stoked.

Zap2it: How do the Winchesters handle it?

Padalecki: Well, for Dean, it's a double edged sword. He's been really hurt by what Cas did. Sam and Castiel were never close; Cas always had a bone to pick with Sam because of the Ruby thing, which is understandable, the whole apocalypse thing.

Zap2it: It worked out pretty well for you, though.

Padalecki: Yeah, Jared's alright with it. My demon child is on the way, I'm good.

Zap2it: So when Castiel returns, that's really a Dean-centric story?

Padalecki: Definitely. Sam never took offense to the fact that Cas had a beef with him. Sam's always been pragmatic and practical. He's like, 'Okay, I guess if I was talking to somebody who messed the whole world up, I'd be hesitant too.' I think with Dean, it's really hard for him to deal with Castiel's betrayal. We've seen Sam wrestle with visions of Lucifer, and now it's Dean's turn to have that kind of a story. We'll see Dean struggle to wrap his head around the Castiel issue. He's like, 'How do we forgive this guy? How do we trust him? That's how we got hurt; that's how we got burned.' Dean's once bitten, twice shy. We'll see him wrestle with some of his own demons


to quote rose, to a degree: effing quoted for the effing truth. there ya go.

[Rose]

Feb 16, 2012 0:54:53 GMT -5 JazzBeePrime said:

oh rose (sammywsgirl), you never cease to amuse me. i'll be blunt here. the ONLY one i've EVER had a beef with is you, and YOU brought that on yourself. i have no issue with others not liking how the writers are writing dean. what i do have an issue with is when others take his issues and use it to accuse him of"

not being 'manly'

being completely self absorbed (i.e.-caring less for sam)

assuming that he's gonna bend over for a being he's not particularly happy with and doesn't trust (btw, i got THAT from another one of JARED'S interviews, which i will find and post)

not noticing something's off about sam (he suspects, but since sam is hiding it, he doesn't know how bad it is)

like sam, dean is his own person. he;s allowed to have his own issues. his every waking moment does not have to center around somebody else (be it sam, bobby, the freaking impala)

i do not begrudge sam of any of the crap that he's been thru or is going thru. i can see how he's trying to be there for his brother right now. i think that beautifully mirrors how dean has always been there for sam. i guarentee that had any of the things that have been said about dean, been said about sam, all hell would break loose. before it's tossed out there, yes i KNOW sam was given alot of crap in past seasons. hell, i've done my share of defending him. just because i prefer dean doesn't ,mean i like sammy any less. i've also never denied (and have flat out admitted) that i prefer dean.

as for whether i'm a skeptic, to a degree. i still like the character of castiel, but it's the s4 castiel that i like. i'm not a big fan of the current cas. i do question his motives and actions.you don't have to neccessarily hate a character to be a skeptic.

since 'whining' is constantly complaining about the same thing over and over again, i'm afraid i do not qualify for that badge of honor. i will leave that territory soley in your capable hands thanks for thinking of me tho

LOL Well hey, if you wanna be two-faced person who pretends she can do no wrong and is completely innocent meanwhile going behind the Sam girls' backs and talking shit at your so-called forum, than more power to you. At least I'm not running off to my private forum just so I can talk shit about all the Dean girls. Kinda like the way you go and bitch and rant and whine and bash your head into a brick wall about how horrible all the Sam girls. At least when I talk shit, I do it openly where everyone can see it.

[JazzBeePrime]

Feb 15, 2012 22:10:40 GMT -5 spoilerwolf said:

Feb 14, 2012 22:06:10 GMT -5 JazzBeePrime said:

so nice to see the dean slams still in full effect. i missed those so very much

yes, sam has literally been to hell and back.he's been tormented and torn apart by luci. metaphorically speaking, so has dean. he had to watch his beloved baby brother 'die' and not be able to do a damn thing about it. he's worn that guilt badge since s1, and with each passing season it became more intense. he's done everything he can to protect all the people around him that he loves, only to watch them die anyway. irregardless of what many think, dean knows that alls not well with sammy. he just isnt aware of how bad it is, and thats in part to sam trying to keep it from him so dean doesnt worry even more.

dean reached a breaking point before bobby's death. he had given up on just about everything. then bobby died, and it left both boys numb. it was a smidge harder on dean because he saw bobby as that loving father figure. not that sammy didnt love him too. its just that bobby seemed more like a beloved uncle to sam.

from what i have read, dean IS NOT that happy to see cas. he's mad at him for the betrayal and he doesn't trust him. where he becomes 'conflicted' is when castiel's re-appearence brings up some buried issues that dean has to face. that doesn't mean that those issues have to do with cas. they could simply just be triggered by his re-appearence.

ok, i feel better now that i got that all out

You good now, Tens? I'm glad you got that off your chest. Now it's my turn.

What you just described (Dean's "emotional fall" if you will) - all of that can be applied to Sam too - but you don't see Sam moping around season after season and never evolving and growing. That is easily the BIGGEST mistake the writers have done to poor Dean - they never make him mature and learn from the disasters that happen in his life and have him achieve a better outlook on his life and what he does. Yes, some pity party is deserved by the boys (heck, they need a boost once in a while) but in the same breath: buck up bucko, life's hard. And watching someone mope for 6 seasons is not what I call enjoyable (we all watch this show to be entertained - I'm not being entertained by this right now). However, that's just in my opinion.

So you feel like I'm insulting Dean? Well Tens, all I can say is that I'm sorry that that is how you feel, but how you react and feel about another person's written word is your responsibility, not mine. The opposite is true for me, as it is for everybody else.

At the end of the day, WE ALL watch this show for ourselves - not for other people.

And I'll be honest - and I'm always honest about how I feel - is that Dean's self absorbed this season and I'm STILL struggling to understand WHY. So for me, I don't care for this soap box 'woe as me, my life sucks' version of Dean. He's been singing that tune for 6 freaking seasons (hell, season 1 too if you want to count that) - and I'm DONE. Emotionally drained from watching it. That is my right to feel that way. You're not going to be changing my opinion - I'm not here to change yours. I am, however, allowed to express my opinion about FICTIONAL characters, however I please.

I do NOT see Dean getting to a "better place" emotionally because the writers never "fix" Dean - they just ignore it, or he carries on as the Eeyore of this show.

I don't see Dean the same way as you do - that's fine. We differ on what we see. It's called individuality. It would kind of suck if we all mindlessly agreed to everything.

I'm nothing if not honest. I don't really like the characterization of Dean this season. I'm putting it bluntly. I'm pissed at the writers for writing him as some pining idiot whose waiting in the wings for the blundering Castiel to return. I don't understand Dean's characterization this year - hell, he was WAY WAY better last year than this year, even with the horrible "like a brother to me" comment & the Lisa/Ben disaster. *tastes bile*

I DO feel like the boys (and like I said, in particular, Dean) drop IQ points when Castiel is around, so NO, i'm not looking forward to Castiel returning.

And Dean being 'not happy to see Cas' is in contradiction to what JA said HERE:


WARNINGS - SPOILERS! LOOK AWAY NOW IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED!!!





"Castiel -- or at least, a guy who looks like Castiel -- will come into play as Sam spirals. "It's not Castiel," Jensen says. "It is, but it isn't. First, Dean's just gobsmacked. It even says 'jaw to the floor,' I think, when he sees him. I think there's a lot of mixed emotions about it. He's probably elated to have his friend back, and somebody who he knows that he can count on, even though he doesn't know who he is -- meaning Cas doesn't know that he's Cas. Personally, from an actor's standpoint, I'm just glad to have the gang back together, so to speak."

We're hoping that Castiel's return gives Dean a little bit of inspiration to move forward. "There's an excitement there because I think he'd lost a lot of hope when Cas went away. That was a really big blow, I think, to his motivation in this fight, and then again when Bobby left. He feels like he doesn't really have -- he obviously has his brother, but he's... a mental case right now, so even though he has his brother, part of his brother, it's a tough time for Dean right now."

[/spoiler]

So... yeah, vomit inducing. If Dean runs back to Cas with open arms while is brother is in the loony bin BECAUSE of Cas, irregardless of him remembering the harm he has done to Sam? Then Dean, quite frankly, is a freaking idiot and the writers will have essentially destroyed his character for me. It's character assassination for ME. Others may feel different, and that's fine. But that's how I will feel.

And also, by the sounds of it (and this is in MY opinion) Dean sees Sam as 'damaged goods' - so he's not even counting Sam as a whole person because in HIS mind, Sam is "cray cray" - and therefore is unreliable as a support. How nice of you, Dean. *is angry*

and if you were wondering, here's the link for the article: blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/02/supernatural-jensen-ackles-and-jared-padalecki-talk-clowns-castiel-and-going-crazy.html

And from the same article here:


WARNING!! SPOILERS BELOW!!!



"Dean is dangerously close to losing Sam as well -- and he doesn't even know it yet."

So, take from that as you will, but my interpretation (meaning my opinion) from the show and some of the spoilers is that Dean is either A) In total denial about Sam's well being or 2) Dean is totally ignorant of Sam's well being.

One implies some knowledge, but is trying to hide from that fact - the other implies he can't see it because he can't be bothered to look that hard.

So yes, I'm being hard on Dean right now because I'm not really getting anything in return from the writers from this character. I WANT to love Dean - but I fell in love with the Dean of old - you know, the one that was a badass and took charge - kicked ass and took names. Was a good, protective brother and proud hunter.

He's a hell of a long way from that, and part of that fault, for me, is because of Castiel and his constant interference.

Because to put it bluntly: Castiel was (and still is) Dean's Ruby.

That's how I view it. He (Castiel) was just as much a conniving, manipulating, self serving bastard who used Dean, just as the opposite was true of Ruby. Only Dean can't see it because he refuses to think he can be duped like Sam was (oh, is he wrong...).

To this point, Dean was and will still be conned when Cas comes back.


Now I'm glad I got that off my chest. [/quote]

ok, i can respect that. i'm not completely thrilled with the never-ending emo. i'm one who wants dean to finally face and conquer his issues. my own vision of dean has him being that badazz hunter with a soft heart. i just see it as both boys have been thru too much crap emotionally and physically to ever be their s1-2 versions again. i get that what alot of people want, the s1-2 versions of sam and dean.with the way the storylines have gone since s3, they will never be those same two guys again.

each boy has had the same issues starting from s1. for dean, it's the guilt and expendability issues. for sam, it's the anger and darkside taint issues. neither one of them has resolved those issues. from everything they have been thru, those issues have either maintained or gotten worse.

as for the other issue, i don't know how you see dean. i know you adore sam, and that's fine. it's just that sometimes something you post about dean comes off as mean spirited, to me. now that you've explained to me why you feel the way you do, i can better understand where it is your coming from. i may not always agree with it, and will defend dean as you would defend sam. however, like you said, being individuals, we each take things differently

[JazzBeePrime]

Feb 16, 2012 1:18:03 GMT -5 Rose said:

Feb 16, 2012 0:54:53 GMT -5 JazzBeePrime said:

oh rose (sammywsgirl), you never cease to amuse me. i'll be blunt here. the ONLY one i've EVER had a beef with is you, and YOU brought that on yourself. i have no issue with others not liking how the writers are writing dean. what i do have an issue with is when others take his issues and use it to accuse him of"

not being 'manly'

being completely self absorbed (i.e.-caring less for sam)

assuming that he's gonna bend over for a being he's not particularly happy with and doesn't trust (btw, i got THAT from another one of JARED'S interviews, which i will find and post)

not noticing something's off about sam (he suspects, but since sam is hiding it, he doesn't know how bad it is)

like sam, dean is his own person. he;s allowed to have his own issues. his every waking moment does not have to center around somebody else (be it sam, bobby, the freaking impala)

i do not begrudge sam of any of the crap that he's been thru or is going thru. i can see how he's trying to be there for his brother right now. i think that beautifully mirrors how dean has always been there for sam. i guarentee that had any of the things that have been said about dean, been said about sam, all hell would break loose. before it's tossed out there, yes i KNOW sam was given alot of crap in past seasons. hell, i've done my share of defending him. just because i prefer dean doesn't ,mean i like sammy any less. i've also never denied (and have flat out admitted) that i prefer dean.

as for whether i'm a skeptic, to a degree. i still like the character of castiel, but it's the s4 castiel that i like. i'm not a big fan of the current cas. i do question his motives and actions.you don't have to neccessarily hate a character to be a skeptic.

since 'whining' is constantly complaining about the same thing over and over again, i'm afraid i do not qualify for that badge of honor. i will leave that territory soley in your capable hands thanks for thinking of me tho

LOL Well hey, if you wanna be two-faced person who pretends she can do no wrong and is completely innocent meanwhile going behind the Sam girls' backs and talking shit at your so-called forum, than more power to you. At least I'm not running off to my private forum just so I can talk shit about all the Dean girls. Kinda like the way you go and bitch and rant and whine and bash your head into a brick wall about how horrible all the Sam girls. At least when I talk shit, I do it openly where everyone can see it.

you don't think i'm not aware that other people stop by the hollow and read what's posted? you ever stop to think that i don't care who reads it. i don't hide my feelings. if i have a problem with you, or think you're a chucklehead, i make it abundantly clear thru how i respond to you. as for 2 faced, you're one to talk

[benson35]

Feb 15, 2012 23:35:02 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

Okay, here's a mini history lesson:

DJ got pissed because Rose wouldn't obey her every wish. Therefore, DJ made it clear that Rose was no longer welcome in the CSS.

Kresnik made an innocent remark about something or other, and DJ got all psycho...she insulted Kresnik to the point where Kres didn't even want to be in the CSS anymore.

End of history lesson.

Oh what you don't know would astound you lol.

[Rose]

Feb 16, 2012 1:40:55 GMT -5 JazzBeePrime said:

Feb 16, 2012 1:18:03 GMT -5 Rose said:

LOL Well hey, if you wanna be two-faced person who pretends she can do no wrong and is completely innocent meanwhile going behind the Sam girls' backs and talking shit at your so-called forum, than more power to you. At least I'm not running off to my private forum just so I can talk shit about all the Dean girls. Kinda like the way you go and bitch and rant and whine and bash your head into a brick wall about how horrible all the Sam girls. At least when I talk shit, I do it openly where everyone can see it.

you don't think i'm not aware that other people stop by the hollow and read what's posted? you ever stop to think that i don't care who reads it. i don't hide my feelings. if i have a problem with you, or think you're a chucklehead, i make it abundantly clear thru how i respond to you. as for 2 faced, you're one to talk

You know... considering the fact that I just found out my pregnant, little sister is suffering from Preeclampsia and Strep B, I find you and your pathetic obsession for a fictional character and this forum bullshit you seem to love to spew so fucking insignificant that people like you honestly make me sick. I think I'll go and be with my sister, who could also possibly die during all of this, instead of wasting my time with the likes of you people. You carry on and throw your tantrums when somebody bashes a fictional character. I think I'll go back to the real world and be with my sister.

[benson35]

We were just discussing what 'illness' you'll pull out of the bag this time SWG. If you sister is as sick as what you say then wtf are you even doing here.

And just FYI we've all got a private life, we just like to keep it private.

[Lostcause]

aaand end of that round.


Back on track and topic ladies. You've had your page of fighting, let's have another 20 of debating please

[1027phoenix]

After having read JA's take on Cas coming back, I'm looking forward to it even less than I was before. If Dean forgives Cas, I will not be able to ever respect his character again. If the writers go this route they will have finally put the nail in the coffin of SPN for me.

[shadowhund]

Please stop making this personal!

When you have some personal issues with some posters, don't make this openly here in this thread. You can debate this via pm's.

I think I understand the deeper issue. Its not that one of the posters would hate Sam or Dean! The brothers are a package deal. Without that you don't watch Supernatural! But what are you watching then

One side is complaing about the lack of the personality of one brother, "the person"!!
The other side wants for one brother to have the "special" story line, angelic touch and all, because the other brother has his own "special" story line.

And another side is enjoying all the brothers banters, their interaction, and it doesn't really matter which brother is the focus in the episodes as long their relationship is the focus!

I think for all 3 posters the brothers relationship is indeed important! And I do believe they all like both brothers!

I didn't see tens as a Castiel-skeptic ever. I think she wanted a special relationship for Dean to this angel! Maybe not now anymore, but I think she is still hoping that Dean is somehow angelic connected more!

I am further really deeply disappointed in all the spoilers, especially in those spoilers who are connected to Castiels and Deans seemingly "special" relationship. Of course I have to wait how it pans out, but I think the writers need more "balls" for their story no matter how loud some of the JS are!!!

I still think Castiel is Dean's Ruby!!!! When they make something different from it and make Castiel human now and Dean's BFF again after he threw the amulet in the trash and kept the dirty trench coat and I keep perfectly in mind what Castiel did to Sam over several seasons and never manned up for his betrayals and manipulations in the dark, its a white washing of a secundary character! And if this is the case I can't watch another season even when it is their last one!

Its also for me like the writers are driving with their least complicated and fan-favorite brother! We should all understand his torment, depression, emo, angst, guilt-ridden, revenge, inner hollowness, 'woe is me' attitude and when he finally makes something wrong, we all understand his actions. Not like they do with Sam! Because Sam was hidden! Sam should have gotten a little more scenes, explanations in season 4 and Dean should have gotten much less in season 7! In favor of Dean Sam was kept hidden again! That is the most depressing issue for me! Because it was not neccessary! They could have shown us both brothers!!!

I say I would skip the episodes with 'wing' in it if not for Sam! I do hope that the episodes give me the dose Sam I need so much!

In the end the showrunners and the writers are at fault, what they do with Dean and Sam. I think there is one person missing who keeps his eyes/attention to the heart of the show. And this is the brothers relationship and to write for both of the brothers.

I don't know one of them who is keeping this treasure dearly to his heart. That's why I love the seasons before the invasion of the angels turned the focus away. But still EK had a hold on their relationship. Okay one brother got the crumbs and the other the dark path..in the dark!

I also think they gave Dean the personal traits and issues of Sam! But what they are doing with Sam then? Sam got his inner new BFF Lucifer for his own good and at best off screen.*shrugs *

When Sam had anger-issues his whole life, I missed something important in 141 episodes of Supernatural!

I also think that Sam was also there for his brother since Dean lost his father and S3 when Dean made his deal and in S4 when "The Dean" was occupied by angels!

[Aeryn]

Feb 16, 2012 1:52:00 GMT -5 benson35 said:

Feb 15, 2012 23:35:02 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

Okay, here's a mini history lesson:

DJ got pissed because Rose wouldn't obey her every wish. Therefore, DJ made it clear that Rose was no longer welcome in the CSS.

Kresnik made an innocent remark about something or other, and DJ got all psycho...she insulted Kresnik to the point where Kres didn't even want to be in the CSS anymore.

End of history lesson.

Oh what you don't know would astound you lol.

Perhaps. But I wouldn't give a shit.

[JazzBeePrime]

shadow- do you mean that i'm still hoping for some kind of angelic connection in dean? if so, then you're right, i would love for a connection, like him (and sammy) having some small amount of angel dna. as for cas, while i still like the character, it's the season 4 version of cas that i still like. i've been suspicious and not so trusting of the season 6 and season 7 castiel.

i'll be honest, i do not want either of the boys forgiving him for what he did to sam, and using both boys for his personal gain. i don't mind if dean uses or forces castiel to heal sam, after all, it was cas that broke him.

as for storyarc, i really really would like to see both boys directly connected to the overall storyarc. i'm all for them having their individual storylines. i'm really curious to see how the writers are going to 'heal' sam, without it being cheesey. i mean, the boy was trapped with 2 ticked off arch angels, for crying out loud. i'd like to see some kind of resolution for sam and deans personal trips to hell. i'd also like to see more sam pov. the first 2 epis of this season were nearly perfect, when it came to balancing the storyline and pov between the boys. why they can't do that for an entire season is beyond me.

[JazzBeePrime]

rose- if your sister is sick, then my heart and best wishes go out to her. you should go be with her.

meanwhile, i'll start taking daily doses of spn to treat my newly diagnosed 'obsession with fictional characters'. i'll also work on refining my 'spewing' so its more sophisticated and to the point. thank you for bringing it to my attention

[jensenRick]

Feb 16, 2012 11:31:57 GMT -5 shadowhund said:

Please stop making this personal!

When you have some personal issues with some posters, don't make this openly here in this thread. You can debate this via pm's.

It is bizarre, it seems there are quite a few people on this thread who will only let go of their grudges when they are pried from their cold dead hands.

Makes me glad that I've decided- I'm not a skeptic anymore. The hate on this thread just gets too ugly.

Peace.

[benson35]

Yea well thanks for coming in here and droppin that jensenrick...sigh. I'm glad your not a skeptic too if you think that the person that is 'ugly' is not a skeptic.

@shadow ......... I believe that they dropped the real story where Castipop is concered I WAS and always will be Deans Ruby!!!! There is no doubt. Which is why there are always stories out there of him being so dodgy.

And Jensen saying he always had his back...like when would that be. I've always thought that if Jensen had someone, why couldn't it of been Bobby..hangon it was Bobby.

Castipop was always out for himself...always! And if he possibly helped out...The boys heard about it thats for sure..it was never out of the goodness of his heart.

The boys story is heating up and what I would love to see is this set right. The boys should always be the ones to get each other out of things, they have each others back, this is the story. Why mess with something that isn't broke. Which is why Deans story suffered a little...we were eventually told that it wasn't him it was the angelic help he got that made everything alright.

Sorry tens if they have any angel dna I'd be shocked and disappointed. I really hope not, I think they are better than that. SPN angels are not the ones I want the Winchesters to be. As humans, as heroes their story is amazing, with their faults and the way they've given up their lives to just take care of others. Its pretty noble and I'd love THAT to be made a storyline.

I'd of hoped we were done with the angels....bigger fish to fry and all!

[JazzBeePrime]

benson- thats cool, not everyone like the whole angel thing.

the only angel that i have always liked, no matter what, is gabriel.at least you knew where you stood with him. i would have prefered for the writers to bring him back over castiel.

i think the only characters i have ever truly hated were ruby (all versions, and nothing agains the wonderful actresses whoplayed her), alastair (his voice was like nails on a chalk board), and cassie (talk about cold hearted). so i can understand your hatred for castiel benson, i felt the same way about ruby. i f i recall correctly, i think on the cw board, we even had boards dedicated to her demise it was actually funnier than it sounds.