7.13 The Slice Girls; 2/3/12 Discussion

[purpledragon1229]

Here's the thread for this week's new episode.

For the love of all that is holy be kind to each other!

Poll in a minute.



PS-I know Jeter has her fans as well and I've decided to sticky her threads for the week as well!

[DeanandSam]

Sex scene hot HOT HOT :heart:

Sam's hair is a character in it's self. So much emotion that goes well with Sam's priceless facial expressions :heart:

Can't say much for the creepy baby who had the voice of a teenager

Still enjoyable so far. Not voting yet, still 30 more minutes left. If I would vote now it would be a 5, so best to wait.

[windykl]

loved this episode, esp. "take charge" sam!!! and the brotherly banter :heart:

[DeanandSam]

Yup sticking with giving it a -5. There was nothing new in the episode that we haven't known before. The plot is not moving forward with Sam and Dean. Their relationship seems to stick with angst and impatience, and like they can't stand being in the same room all of a sudden. The last scene as much as it showed Sam as being concerned to Dean, it was like he was telling him "Shut up and Deal."

The only thing we seem to have found out was a possible Bobby being a ghost.

Again, the plot doesn't seem to move forward, but stuck with the brothers. Their relationship is not changing and getting better. I know that in a few episodes the plot is going to move to the apperance of Cas, but Cas isn't in the episodes now. So why can't the writers focus on the brothers relationship, why are they damaging it? I see two stranger on my screen who just happen to work together, I don't see closeness which is odd.

I don't know what is going on with my favorite show * Dramatic crying*

[benson35]

Feb 3, 2012 22:03:33 GMT -5 windykl said:

loved this episode, esp. "take charge" sam!!! and the brotherly banter

LOVED IT TOO WINDY!

[1027phoenix]

I gave it an 8. It didn't advance any storylines but as a stand-alone episode, it wasn't too bad. I liked that the brothers were working the case together instead of each going their separate ways. I also liked the brotherly banter. I was pleasantly surprised to find that I liked it.

[windykl]

Feb 3, 2012 22:05:10 GMT -5 DeanandSam said:

Yup sticking with giving it a -5. There was nothing new in the episode that we haven't known before. The plot is not moving forward with Sam and Dean. Their relationship seems to stick with angst and impatience, and like they can't stand being in the same room all of a sudden. The last scene as much as it showed Sam as being concerned to Dean, it was like he was telling him "Shut up and Deal."

The only thing we seem to have found out was a possible Bobby being a ghost.

Again, the plot doesn't seem to move forward, but stuck with the brothers. Their relationship is not changing and getting better. I know that in a few episodes the plot is going to move to the apperance of Cas, but Cas isn't in the episodes now. So why can't the writers focus on the brothers relationship, why are they damaging it? I see two stranger on my screen who just happen to work together, I don't see closeness which is odd.

I don't know what is going on with my favorite show * Dramatic crying*

see i enjoyed the teasing btw sam and dean...but who were talking about at the end "shut up and deal?" dean?

[CaptainBill]

Enjoyed it, pretty good stand alone episode. Sam and Dean got in some pretty good comic moments with the teasing and the casual sex jokes and insisting that the bag couldn't have broke.

Is this the first time Dean did the horizontal with a monster? Poaching onto Sammy's territory is he now. Seems fair since Sam is the one driving the car now which used to be Dean's prize, pride, and mode of control.

[windykl]

Feb 3, 2012 22:20:24 GMT -5 CaptainBill said:

Enjoyed it, pretty good stand alone episode. Sam and Dean got in some pretty good comic moments with the teasing and the casual sex jokes and insisting that the bag couldn't have broke.

Is this the first time Dean did the horizontal with a monster? Poaching onto Sammy's territory is he now. Seems fair since Sam is the one driving the car now which used to be Dean's prize, pride, and mode of control.

you're right, it is usually sammy "bagging" the monsters...that didn't even cross my mind

[taltos]

Anyone else find it weird that the guys were consulting with Mayor Wilkins (BtVS)?

[spoilerwolf]

I'll just c/p what I said in the other thread.

6/10 for me.

Sam was great - I could really feel his frustration with Dean throughout the episode - his worry for his brother to get his shit together (can we say shit?) and pull up his socks and buck up.

Sorry Sam - you may be waiting a while. Sigh. I HOPE this is the end of Dean's .. angst. I'm burnt out & can't sympathize any longer.

I want caring brothers - I'm getting it from Sam - but where is Dean, the big brother? Dean just makes me shake my head this season. Frustrating.

Glad Dean didn't let monster girl chop him up. Dean needs his hands and feet

That's my take on the episode anyways.

[CaptainBill]

As others mentioned, Sam was "take charge!" which is all kind of awesome. When he stretched his FBI credentials further by offering a deal with the professor to "take out the wire taps", I slapped my knee and went "well played, Sammy, well played!" Sam was on!

I'm really liking this season alot, and that the brothers are hunting alone, researching together and depending on each other. I liked the ending conversation in the car. I'm giddly happy that there isn't anymore permanent co-stars. Though I woundn't mind seeing Jody Mills again.

[yimhappy]

[isitfridayyet]

Gave it a 5 for blahhhhhness.


In other news....bobby is obviously a ghost.

[NishiNoMajo]

I liked the episode as a (mostly) stand-alone filler. Dean being in Sam's shoes when it came to killing someone he is attached to was a good twist. However, it feels like we are not getting anywhere with the Leviathans. I also miss my favorite Scottish demon.

And as a devoted Bobby fangirl, I'm pretty certain that although the boys burned his bones, Bobby's spirit has chosen to glue itself to its beloved flask

[shadowhund]

Welcome to the boards NishiNoMajo!

Glad to see you here! How did you find us?
~shadow

[sarahg6]

Last nights epi was awesome. Sam did kill the monster but no big Dean angst over it. He knew she had to go. Loved the car scene, "Don't get yourself killed." Don't know much about the writers, but they did a great job.

[NishiNoMajo]

Feb 4, 2012 4:02:39 GMT -5 shadowhund said:

Welcome to the boards NishiNoMajo!

Glad to see you here! How did you find us?
~shadow

Thank you! I have been really busy lately and totally missed that there is a new board for us crazy SPN fans. But thanks to SWG, I finally found it today

[Rose]

I'm really glad you decided to join up, Nishi! *big hugs* It's not quite as crazy over here, but it's much MUCH more fun! ;D Also, just Rose. No more SWG stuff. I wanna get away from that bad name and leave it behind forever. It's got too many bad memories attached to it.

[NishiNoMajo]

Feb 4, 2012 10:44:54 GMT -5 Rose said:

I'm really glad you decided to join up, Nishi! *big hugs* It's not quite as crazy over here, but it's much MUCH more fun! ;D Also, just Rose. No more SWG stuff. I wanna get away from that bad name and leave it behind forever. It's got too many bad memories attached to it.

Thanks and sorry hun! And to be honest, Rose is a much more beautiful nickname :heart:

[shadowhund]

I was pleasently surprised by this episode. I thought I expect nothing especially regarding Sam, but Sam was quite presented in this episode.

Sam was given a voice!

And Sam was allowed to react and to show some feelings, be it anger, sadness, fears. That was about damn time! He is no robot or machine and the show comes to fruition when the brothers relationship is in the center. This episode gave us the brothers banter, reactions to each other and it was for me more vivid and lively than most of the other episodes this season.

First I liked that Sam drove the car, Dean taking a nap. We know Dean is a tired man and feels older than he is (he was in hell for 40 years)and all the loss(es) in his life did a toll on him ....and I have waited for a long time to see Sam take on the wheel (in a double sense) and in this episode Sam even drove twice !

The flask drinking is reminding me that Dean has his alcohol problems and the flask reminds me and the brothers of Bobby! Well, seemingly that thing is the connection to ghost Bobby, I think that Bobby stayed on earth to help the brothers. I would assume that Sam should sense something since he is the psychic in the family, but nope, he pulls the EMF! Nonetheless I still hope that the flask is not the connection to Bobby but that Sam pulled the amulet out from the trash and keeps it with him and Bobby gave it to Sam. This could be a connection! Because Sam din't only get the amulet but gave it to Dean. So they would be both involved if Bobbys ghost is around them.

He doesn't want to put some hope in the image that Bobby is still there in some etherial form. Bobby should be cautious as ghost essence he could turn to something the brothers might have to eleminate!

Sam is right now more like the older brother in the duo! Dean is just without direction, mourning about Bobby and not embracing his life as a hunter, hesitating in killing the monster daughter and therewith risking his life more than neccessary! When he continues to be like that, he is in a dangerous zone, for himself and for his brother, who is depending on Dean while they work together and I assume Sam is not that stable, he only doesn't show it Dean and The Show doesn't show it to us!

Till now Sam has proved that he is capable of living that life of an experienced functioning hunter. For me its still a miracle that he is doing it so good without any signs of resignation, abstraction, fears, halucinations, atleast WE don't see it onscreen (still mad at the writers for this). But we know this doesn't last much longer, because Dean said it already to us viewers and to Bobby (the other shoe will drop)

Sammy is taking charge in a really responsible way towards Dean and the cases. What gets my attention is that Sam is avoiding any chit-chats with others, but Dean is really ready to talk with everyone in a lighter way. Sam is just cut off, when its not about the case. Only with Dean Sam is showing that he doesn't avoid tough communication with his brother, for whom he came back from the coma in "The Man Who Knew To Much".

I am glad that the writers didn't take the daughter thing to far so we should feel anything for that kid. She was a killing monster and only tried to distract Dean so she could finally kill him. She was much more a ruthless killer than Sam's friend Amy from "The Girl Next Door". And how fast the monster girl grew up was for me as viewer good, so I couldn't connect to her in any way!

I could handle this Dean in the episode way better than the last 10 episodes this season. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Sam was more present in this episode. I think also that "The Dean Angst Arc" was not to much showcased in this episode and I am waiting for it to come to an end (hopefully soon) with a satisfying solution for Dean and and especially Sam (Sam because he is quietly suffering and nonetheless takes over unmitigated the wheels of the brotherhood since an amount of time!

Aside from this I want Dean back in this show, this guy who calls himself Dean now is almost unknowable for me! and it makes me sad to say this!
What I liked very much are the scenes with Sam and Dean bantering, there were some of it in this episode.
I give the episode a 7, because I was positively surprised and because the amount of Sam as a bouncing counterpart to Dean, how it should be!
Sorry for some mistakes in english, I am still german!

[SoCal]

OK, I enjoyed the episode. Not the greatest, but then we have over 100 to critique against.
Liked how Sam and Dean played off each other. It was fun to see Sam so in control. How does he do that if Lucifer is still messing around in his brain? Liked that Dean seemed to want to hang onto Bobby more so than Sam. Found the Amazons a bit weak, however. Not much telling us why they are around and what it is they hope to accomplish in the world. It felt more like they were just dropped in as an antagonist for Dean and Sam.
I'm just GLAD we're getting new episodes! I hope next week's is better than the preview looked!

[waggy3015]

Just c/p from the other thread...

Admittedly, I was worried about this episode, but it was better than I thought it would be.

I believe that Sam and Dean are both holding on by a thread. Especially Sam. I think what keeps him from going completely nuts right now, is staying focused on the case at hand. So when Dean starts to go off course like being "obsessed" with Lidia or complaining about the professor, Sam uses what strength he has to get Dean to focus on the case.

The only thing that surprised me by Emma's death, was how quickly she was killed. I figured even after Sam busted in the room, it would be a little bit of time before she'd die.

Did anybody get the feeling that at the end Sam wanted to, but maybe stopped himself, from telling Dean how bad off he really was? IDK, I just got this vibe when Sam told Dean in the car that he(Dean) can't get himself killed--and Sam said it twice--that it was his way of trying to get Dean to realize he(Sam) needs him, because he's not doing well.

[spoilerwolf]

Feb 4, 2012 12:57:08 GMT -5 waggy3015 said:

Just c/p from the other thread...

Admittedly, I was worried about this episode, but it was better than I thought it would be.

I believe that Sam and Dean are both holding on by a thread. Especially Sam. I think what keeps him from going completely nuts right now, is staying focused on the case at hand. So when Dean starts to go off course like being "obsessed" with Lidia or complaining about the professor, Sam uses what strength he has to get Dean to focus on the case.

The only thing that surprised me by Emma's death, was how quickly she was killed. I figured even after Sam busted in the room, it would be a little bit of time before she'd die.

Did anybody get the feeling that at the end Sam wanted to, but maybe stopped himself, from telling Dean how bad off he really was? IDK, I just got this vibe when Sam told Dean in the car that he(Dean) can't get himself killed--and Sam said it twice--that it was his way of trying to get Dean to realize he(Sam) needs him, because he's not doing well.

That's an interesting thought, waggy.

The way I see it, Sam's trying to hold Dean's head above water, at the cost of drowning himself.

Sam has to come up for air eventually. He can't support himself and his brother forever and he's drowning under the pressure.

Maybe Sam is, subtly, asking for Dean to help him.

[lemongrover]

I didn't like the episode, but I didn't hate it either. I went into the episode dreading it and hoping Sam wasn't going to be the one to kill the girl and it happened. But it wasn't separating the brothers. I like Bobby being mention and Castiel. I like the professor and the doctor guy. They were cool and funny. I didn't particular like how disconnect Dean was from Emma, but I think that was for the best.

The sex/murder scene was gross and Dean was totally dominated by Lydia which really wasn't great to watch. If I have to sit through a sex scene (which are uncomfortable), then at least have a sex scene in which both the characters look like they know what they're doing and can handle it. I kind of felt like Dean was Gary back in "Swap Meat" and he was in way over his head. Wasn't he a womanizer once a upon time? And why is that ever since Dean sex scene with Anna, all his personal scenes are boring or female dominated, while Sam scenes look like the both of the characters know what they want and go for it?

I gave the episode a five, because it wasn't as terrible. However, it underlines the growing problem I am having with the show. Dean. Dean. Dean. And Dean's depression.

I will always, always like Dean, but I'm falling out of love with the character. But Dean's depression is getting ridiculous. For me, it has gotten to the point it's sucking the oxygen from other characters. ( Come back, Dean! Come back!)

They are making Dean so depressing and piling on the angst and guilt so high, they're turing Dean into this sickly sweet sympathetic monster. It's turning everyone else into a Goliath while Dean the little David being kicked around. Anytime someone does the tiniest slight towards Dean, it looks bad in some way. Especially, since Dean's point of view is the only one that is really being shown in a consistent way. So, Sam looks like he is concerned, but he's going to be a jerk about it. Huh?

Sam seemed hostile in this episode at points. Last episode, perfectly fine about talking about Bobby, this episode, nope, doesn't want to hear one word about it. Dean is the one holding onto hope for Bobby and he is going to right about it. So, Sam looks like a jerk for not listening. End scene, Sam is upset with Dean not pulling the trigger fast enough, but the girl hadn't killed anyone, but she was going to kill Dean, but would Dean have killed her or not? So, Sam kills her for Dean, but then he complains about Dean which instead of looking like Sam is concern, it looks like Sam is being jerk about he could do the job, while Dean needs to get his head back into the game. We have no point of view or some other character in which Sam has explained that he is worried that if he doesn't get through to Dean that he'll die.

But nope, we only see Dean's point of view. We only get to see Dean's self-loathing and inferior complex, so anytime Dean bullies Sam, it looks okay (i.e. "The Mentalist"), but Sam being concerned about Dean comes off as superior and smug dig about Amy (i.e."The Slice Girls").

Dean's never-ending miserable arc is horrible because it's taking so much from Sam and the show. I'm so sick of Dean being depressed, because it makes everyone else look insensitive to the main character of the show. You can't really say anything to Dean without Dean either having to be written like a jerk (for example the organ donor guy or the mouthy teenager, Krissy) or else the other characters look like jerks (for example, Eliot Ness, Frank, and Sam). It's not fun to watch.

I don't know. Maybe I'm really wishing there was something more for Sam and I just wish the guy could catch the smallest break. But instead in order to drag a plot out to allow the girl to grow up, they needed to write Sam as hostile and questioning Dean and which in turns makes Sam look like he is being smug in the end about Amy and Emma. I'm oversensitive about Sam right now. I know it's a problem for my viewing. But I feel like Dean's guilt and depression has been so overplayed that anytime there is a tiny infraction against the character that it's just going to appear like Dean is being picked on. I know that Sam cares about his brother, but Dean doesn't show any concern for Sam. He just throws hell back into Sam's face to avoid his problems. But his problems are the only ones that are shown. And without Sam's troubles being shown, Sam doesn't feel like a real character. He has no reason or consistency. Maybe I have been reading too many negative things about Sam lately, so it feels like Sam is being shown a certain way, but if the only place I can get some insight to the character of Sam is online, then how else am I suppose to feel?

[geordiegirl1967]

I really liked this one, and I wasn't expecting too. I give it 9/10.

I thought the dialogue was great. Loved the teasing and banter. The relationship was front and centre this week, even though they are both too caught up in their own issues to really connect which is a shame.

Loved that Sam was depicted as firmly in the driving seat (even down to him actually driving which is pretty rare). This ep was designed to show us what a great team the boys are; each taking some of the load from the other when the other is struggling. This is the juxtaposition / role reversal they were talking about. Not 'Dean was horrible to Sam, now Sam gets his own back'. It's about teamwork and having each others back. At the moment Dean is way off his game and Sam is having to pick up the slack. Earlier in the season it was the other way round.

People can debate whether Sam's actions were right, just as we did with Dean. Personally I think it was a clear and unambiguously right decision. But there is no question they sometimes make mistakes. They make life and death decisions all the time in a split second. So getting that right depends on their instincts being honed and focused. At the moment neither are at the top of their game. A couple of years ago, with Bobby helping them, and their mental states less broken, this case would have been solved in hours. They are struggling as people and as hunters. I think that is actually very cleverly done by the writers. 

On the specific decision by Sam, as I say IMO it was a no-brainer. If you watch the scene again, Emma turns to Sam and gives him the most evil look, with her eyes turning red - just as the detective's had - then turned back to Dean and, all sweetness gives him the 'oh I just want a chance to be good' speech. At that point Dean clearly wavered, but Sam had seen her deception. Dean hadn't. Sam knew she was playing him. I see no moral ambiguity there. She had a knife in her hand and had come to kill his brother. She was required to kill her own father, so the future risk if Sam let her go wasn't to some stranger. It was very specifically to Dean.

Sam's fear in that last scene, that he disguised (poorly) as anger was very well written and played. It reminded me of the 'just quit the act and be my brother again' speech from s3. When he said 'just don't get killed' with his voice breaking it was incredibly sad.

I loved this ep. One of my faves.

[shadowhund]

lemongrover, yeah that's the crux with Dean. His overplayed depression, pain, loss, drinking, poor woe is me, makes everyone elses reactions to him harsher. They drive with the Dean POV and its like hammering it in my head even when I don't like it.

It could be the set up for Dean's epic fall in this season, like Sam's epic fall in season4. The difference I want to point out lies in the attention the character gets in every possible way and episode. Sam really has no place.

I understand Sam's reaction, and I don't think he reacts like a jerk or is a jerk, I think Sam has his own not ostentatious problems, they are not only that, they are hidden behind the curtains. Its like a season 4 all over again for Sam's problems and Sam's POV. That alone makes me mad at the writers of the show disregarding the plot.

They have so much stand alone episode that there is no reason to avoid Sam. They should just dare for SamPOV. But they drive with Dean's POV. I would have wished for a little more insight in season 4 Sam, but I have to admit I wouldn't want the same focus on Sam that they do with Dean. I think it takes away from Dean more than it gives the character somehthing.

With Sam its quite the opposite, because we get so little Sam focus, people see Sam only one-dimensional. I see their kind of writing for Sam one dimensional too, but I am attached to the character (the show doesn't want that I am) and I simply love the character despite his lack of POV and despite his poorly character-showcase.

I was proud of Sam in this episode, because he came back for his brother and he gives Dean backup and foothold. He gives Dean this "on the straight and narrow"(I don't know exactly how you say it) back There was once a time where Dean was a strong big brother while Sam was confused and scared that he might turn evil. Dean was protecting Sam, there was once a time. Its long ago this time, and Sam is trying to hold it together for both of them. Someone said Sam is drowning while trying to keep his brothers head over water. That is it with Sam. He may be more broken than we see over the whole season, they simply doesn't show it.

[Rose]

Feb 4, 2012 10:54:13 GMT -5 NishiNoMajo said:

Feb 4, 2012 10:44:54 GMT -5 Rose said:

I'm really glad you decided to join up, Nishi! *big hugs* It's not quite as crazy over here, but it's much MUCH more fun! ;D Also, just Rose. No more SWG stuff. I wanna get away from that bad name and leave it behind forever. It's got too many bad memories attached to it.

Thanks and sorry hun! And to be honest, Rose is a much more beautiful nickname

LOL it's okay sweetheart. Just letting you know. I am SO happy you're here now though! And thank you. ;D

[dfanatic]

I gave this episode a 6.
I thought it was okay, but nothing great. Dean having sex and his daughter monster growing up in a day or two and of course someone had to kill it and it was Sam.
I hated how this episode made Sam look stupid yet again. Concerning whether it was Bobby being a ghost and helping them out. Sam said they burned his body, but Dean still has his flask, so of course Bobby's spirit could be tied to that, but Sam didn't even consider it.
Sam can't research anything on his own now, Dean knows computer tricks Sam doesn't and Sam doesn't have a memory about previous cases or anything anymore. All he can do in each episode is stand around and listen to Dean sniveling and crying about everything or kill something that is trying to kill Dean.

I wish someone or something would slice the depression out of Dean so that he can finally be interesting again. I'm sick of his constant drinking and sniveling all the time about everything. He's lost so much and now his monster daughter who he wasn't even close to. I hope he still remembers he has a brother who loves him, even though he doesn't seem to love his brother. It's like Dean is just sticking around out of some sense of obligation to Sam and not love. Whatever.

[benson35]

Hangon if you burn someones bones you can't be a ghost?

That was in the Paris Hilton episode, but that was her doing it not the actual ghost of Ghandi? I would of thought Sam was only stating the obvious and Dean was reaching too far.

IA about Sam researching, its another instance of reinventing canon. I thought Sam was just as good as anyone at researching, Bobby just had the books.

I also thought we kind of were fixing Deans depression of sorts....It thought he actually listened to Elliot Ness. Although I'd like to it of come from Sam...so I did love the ending conversation but Dean didn't seem fussed about his little brother begging him not to die. I thought Dean would care about that more...