Supernatural Season 8 Party Thread!

[SoCal]

Flashbacks.....what a cheap way to let fans know what was happening to BOTH characters.

Meh.

[waggy3015]

Aug 19, 2012 17:40:04 GMT -5 novemberschild said:

I did a S7 rewatch twice to see how S7 worked together as a whole. I think that although S7 had problems I do understand Sam and Dean a little better now. I had not been happy with how they were portrayed during the season, but seeing the episodes all together made a difference for me. I understood some of why they acted the way they did and I like them more now than I did during the season.

If you don't mind my asking, could you elaborate on what you mean?

[novemberschild]

I will try Waggy,

S7 was supposed to be a season of Sam and Dean being alone (Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid) and being able to only depend on themselves to survive. As each piece of their existence as they knew it, was stripped away they became a little more desperate, a little less sure of themselves.
They lost Cas, they lost Bobby's house, they lost the Impala, and finally they lost Bobby. At each loss they were upset, but as the losses mounted up, they were both affected but in different ways.

In the first 10 episodes, I felt the season had a different tone to it, it was darker, more angst filled and Dean seemed as if he was going for a world record in drinking. He was upset, hurt and almost beyond help. It was if there wasn't anything he could do to help himself find any relief, so he plowed ahead in typical Dean fashion, drinking , yet trying his best to do the job.
But when you look at how Dean was treated overall in S7, it becomes a little clearer why he behaved like he did. He was told by almost everyone in S7 to suck it up and do the job, period.
Bobby, Frank, Elliot Ness, and almost everyone else he came in contact with treated Dean as if he wasn't supposed to have feelings and told him to shut up and do the job. No wonder why he became almost unrecognizable in S7.

Sam, had problems from the start, he had to deal with Lucifer, and although he had a "coping mechanism" it doesn't appear to have worked very well, although we will never really know because the stupid show, never really showed us 90% of what Sam went thru. As S7 went on we did see him deteriorate and see what he was going Thru, but the one person he needed at that point Dean, just didn't have it in him anymore to help, nor did he have the right tools to help. I think where it really caught my eye as far as Dean's lack of support came when in 7.16 Out with the Old, Sam can't really sleep, and is beyond tired and Dean knows this, yet still lets Sam drive . This isn't the Dean we know, I am not sure who it is but it wasn't Dean.

As I said, seeing all the episodes together made it easier to see how Sam and Dean started out and where they ended up. The start of the season was very dark, and after 7.10, it was like they decided that the season had gotten too dark, so they threw in a bunch of "funny episodes". That was a fail though, because it made the boys look odd and out of place. By the end of the season though, I had started seeing tiny glimmers of the boys coming back to the Sam and Dean that we all knew. They seemed a little more connected up until the end of 7.23.

These guys have lived almost their whole life, working together and depending on each other to watch out for the other one, and then when the show tried to take it away, (in a sense) it just took away the family aspect of the show for me.

I am not picking on either Dean or Sam, I think they have done the best they could with all the total awful crap thrown their way. I can only hope that S8 focuses on what S7 was lacking, a real storyline, learn how to pace an episode, and please hire a good editor.
I am not sure I made that as clear as I wanted to, sorry

[Aeryn]

How cute were they?!

[SoCal]

From EW:

Supernatural scoop. Please please please!! — Leslie
That sounds an awful lot like begging. I like it. So here’s what I can tell you: Episode 5, titled “Blood Brothers,” will find the brothers on somewhat separate journeys. Dean is called to aid the being that helped him out of Purgatory (but can’t tell Sam!) and Sam, meanwhile, spends some time with the lady friend he fell for while apart from Dean.

[AntiArbitrator]

Aug 26, 2012 12:22:26 GMT -5 SoCal said:

From EW:

Supernatural scoop. Please please please!! — Leslie
That sounds an awful lot like begging. I like it. So here’s what I can tell you: Episode 5, titled “Blood Brothers,” will find the brothers on somewhat separate journeys. Dean is called to aid the being that helped him out of Purgatory (but can’t tell Sam!) and Sam, meanwhile, spends some time with the lady friend he fell for while apart from Dean.

I guess the blood brother is that blood-sucking vampire. Let's hope those two did not exchange blood in a blood-brother ritual so the vampire would help Dean to escape.

[AntiArbitrator]

Aug 21, 2012 20:06:27 GMT -5 novemberschild said:

I will try Waggy,

S7 was supposed to be a season of Sam and Dean being alone (Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid) and being able to only depend on themselves to survive. As each piece of their existence as they knew it, was stripped away they became a little more desperate, a little less sure of themselves.
They lost Cas, they lost Bobby's house, they lost the Impala, and finally they lost Bobby. At each loss they were upset, but as the losses mounted up, they were both affected but in different ways.

In the first 10 episodes, I felt the season had a different tone to it, it was darker, more angst filled and Dean seemed as if he was going for a world record in drinking. He was upset, hurt and almost beyond help. It was if there wasn't anything he could do to help himself find any relief, so he plowed ahead in typical Dean fashion, drinking , yet trying his best to do the job.
But when you look at how Dean was treated overall in S7, it becomes a little clearer why he behaved like he did. He was told by almost everyone in S7 to suck it up and do the job, period.
Bobby, Frank, Elliot Ness, and almost everyone else he came in contact with treated Dean as if he wasn't supposed to have feelings and told him to shut up and do the job. No wonder why he became almost unrecognizable in S7.

Sam, had problems from the start, he had to deal with Lucifer, and although he had a "coping mechanism" it doesn't appear to have worked very well, although we will never really know because the stupid show, never really showed us 90% of what Sam went thru. As S7 went on we did see him deteriorate and see what he was going Thru, but the one person he needed at that point Dean, just didn't have it in him anymore to help, nor did he have the right tools to help. I think where it really caught my eye as far as Dean's lack of support came when in 7.16 Out with the Old, Sam can't really sleep, and is beyond tired and Dean knows this, yet still lets Sam drive . This isn't the Dean we know, I am not sure who it is but it wasn't Dean.

As I said, seeing all the episodes together made it easier to see how Sam and Dean started out and where they ended up. The start of the season was very dark, and after 7.10, it was like they decided that the season had gotten too dark, so they threw in a bunch of "funny episodes". That was a fail though, because it made the boys look odd and out of place. By the end of the season though, I had started seeing tiny glimmers of the boys coming back to the Sam and Dean that we all knew. They seemed a little more connected up until the end of 7.23.

These guys have lived almost their whole life, working together and depending on each other to watch out for the other one, and then when the show tried to take it away, (in a sense) it just took away the family aspect of the show for me.

I am not picking on either Dean or Sam, I think they have done the best they could with all the total awful crap thrown their way. I can only hope that S8 focuses on what S7 was lacking, a real storyline, learn how to pace an episode, and please hire a good editor.
I am not sure I made that as clear as I wanted to, sorry

I think you did an excellent job of summing up what happened to Dean and Sam. Thank you for taking the time to do this. The people who could mentor Dean all told him the same thing, and the effect of their advice came through clearly when Dean was in the car and trying to smile his way through the pain the way Frank told him to. His practice attempts at smiling affected me strongly.




We can still see the pain as Dean tries to do what he was told.

I was glad when the episodes became less dark. I was able to laugh at some of the lines again and enjoy the humor.

From what I have read, we have a lot to look forward to in S8.

Thanks again, Novemberschild.

[AntiArbitrator]

I'm playing catch-up since I am wide awake today. I thought we discussed the following info, but I can't find it.

"8/15/12 IGN: I was talking to Jeremy earlier, and he’s saying there will certainly be understandable drama between Dean and Castiel this season. Have you been given some insight on how that might play out?

Collins: I have. Although to be perfectly frank with you, I’ve only been given hints. I’m not exactly sure how it does play out. But yeah, that lingering question that was a significant part of the cliffhanger -- where the f**k did Castiel go? -- is answered very directly in the second episode. That won’t be a hanging chad. We’ll know what was going on with that."

So, I guess in the first episode, we won't know exactly what happened in Purgatory.

[SoCal]

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Is it Ocotber yet?

[novemberschild]

Hi Anti, whenever I write all that stuff, I am never sure if I am getting my point across, so thanks for what you said.

I think your comment about "the people who could mentor Dean all told him the same thing" is right on the money! the person I think who really disappointed me in their response to Dean in episodes 6-9 was Bobby. Now Bobby did try and talk to Dean in the first couple of episodes in as caring a way as he could, but in episodes 6=9 when Bobby was there he just was a total jerk to Dean, telling him to do the job, focus on the job, it's all about the job.
Yet when he talked to Sam he was more caring, more "gentle' I am not saying he was wrong to be gentle with Sam, this is the guy seeing Lucifer after all. But why couldn't he have been just a little tiny bit nicer to Dean?
Honestly with all the crap that the boys have seen, done and had done to them it is a wonder they can still function as a semi-normal human.

Anti, I love your picture of Cas on the steps!

[novemberschild]

SoCal, I am beginning to wonder if October will ever come. I think we have been waiting forever for season 8 to start.
We need a smiley that is on it's back kicking and screaming because it is tired of waiting for SPN S8!

[SoCal]

Will these do for now?

[AntiArbitrator]

Aug 26, 2012 19:26:52 GMT -5 SoCal said:

Will these do for now?

So cute and appropriate!

---

Novemberschild, thanks. That was a heartwarming send off for Bobby.

[waggy3015]

Aug 26, 2012 12:22:26 GMT -5 SoCal said:

From EW:

Supernatural scoop. Please please please!! — Leslie
That sounds an awful lot like begging. I like it. So here’s what I can tell you: Episode 5, titled “Blood Brothers,” will find the brothers on somewhat separate journeys. Dean is called to aid the being that helped him out of Purgatory (but can’t tell Sam!) and Sam, meanwhile, spends some time with the lady friend he fell for while apart from Dean.

First of all, I'm not really liking the fact that they are separating and MORE IMPORTANTLY that Dean can't tell Sam. Because Sam keeping secrets from Dean worked so well before, NOT!

That's probably why Sam turns back to the chick, because Dean's keeping him in the dark and not trusting Sam enough to tell him what's going on.

Second, I'm getting a little panicked hearing how Jensen's filming all the time and Jared's hardly filming at all. I'm not liking the sound of that.

I'm starting to get a bad feeling that a lot of the episodes this season are going to be like this. Sam and Dean are going to be together for the first 5 minutes of an episode, then for the next 35 minutes they will be separated, then they'll get back together for the last 5 minutes of an episode.

I watch this show for the brothers relationship and working together. I don't care if they separate for case purposes, like interviewing witnesses or gathering coronor/police reports. But I don't like either one just up and leaving like Sam did in Scarecrow or Dean did in Time Is On My Side.

[SoCal]

I don't really care if they're together or apart.

I just want some good stories for both Dean and Sam.

Less emphasis on guest stars. Less emphasis on cutesy-poo episode titles.

Let the boys fight, let them conspire together, let them hunt together, let them hunt apart, let them argue, let them get along...

Just give us good episodes!!!!!!!!!!!

[waggy3015]

What's also panicking me is the fact that Jensen is asking fans to write to the SPN writers to write scenes for Sam.

That troubles me to hear that.

[AntiArbitrator]

Aug 28, 2012 15:31:08 GMT -5 waggy3015 said:

What's also panicking me is the fact that Jensen is asking fans to write to the SPN writers to write scenes for Sam.

That troubles me to hear that.

What?!!! Wow. I bet Jensen has seen some scripts and is not happy with what he has seen.

[SoCal]

It’s All About the Fans: Jensen Ackles at VanCon
August 27, 2012
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Credit: Karen Cooke Photography
Jensen Ackles started his semi-private Q & A with a question for the gathered fans – “Has anyone embarrassed themselves yet at the con?” He seemed certain that Misha must have accomplished at least a bit of embarrassment (we wonder why….)


Fans: Well, there was Russ Hamilton and a certain stripper pole…..

Jensen: (deadpans) Going to a coffee shop with Russ could be embarrassing.

The group then launched into some questions of their own. A fan asked Jensen if his third time directing an episode of Supernatural had been more or less difficult?

Jensen: This time, there were lots of scenes with Dean, so I’m on camera more, which is a bit of a challenge. When I’m just acting, I can clear my mind and really not worry about anything, which leaves me very open to the nuances of a scene. You need to be able to be in the moment with the other person, be open to the scene unfolding between you and the other actor. Sometimes guest actors memorize their lines for days, and they know them so well, but then the other actor says or does something different, and you need to be able to actually react to that, you have to be open to that, so it can’t be overly rehearsed. Otherwise you’re just reciting lines. Kim Manners used to say that scenes are about the nuances, the subtext, what makes the scene unique.

Jensen paused at that point and laughed.

Jensen: Sorry that was sort of long on explanation!

Fans: (silently and rather sarcastically) Right, terrible hardship, not interesting at all…..

A fan asked about Season 9 and 10 being a done deal, everyone in the room grinning happily at the prospect.

Jensen: Not officially, we still have to get picked up, but it looks good – it helps that the new head of the network is really behind the show.

Fans: (are still grinning and nodding)

Jensen: But we still have to get picked up — you guys still need to keep watching!

Fans: (with perhaps a little sarcasm) Oh no!

The next question was from a person who said she was new to the fandom, attending her very first con.

Jensen: And you’re still here?? Most people would have jumped ship by now!

The intrepid newbie fan bravely remained, luckily, and wondered how Jensen thought the Show would eventually end.

Fans: End? What? *lalalalalala we can’t hear you*

Jensen: We’ve said before, I think they’d go out in a blaze of glory, like Butch and Sundance. Give each other a wink and then there’s a freeze frame, so you never really are sure about what happens. And then if there’s a movie, you can pick up there, and if there’s not…

Fans: (silently) Ohhhhh, a movie….okay, we’re listening again.

Another fan asked about Jensen being a musician, like so many of his friends.

Jensen: I don’t consider myself a musician, I’m a lover of music. It relaxes me — when I come home I can sort of strum the day away.

Fans: What about how you’ve played with Steve Carlson?

Jensen: (laughing) Steve is such a talented musician, that he can rope me in.

Fans (are grateful to Steve Carlson)

Another fan asked if he had a pet project that he’d like to do.

Jensen: There are a couple of stories I’d love to tell from the acting side, that I’d like to develop – and I don’t really know what that entails, but I know people who do, so I’d enlist their help. Oh, and I wouldn’t let myself direct it!

Fan (protesting) But you could, you’re a seasoned vet.

Jensen: (wryly) Well, I’m seasoned….

Fans: lol

We asked Jensen about one of the new books we’ve been signed to write on Supernatural – more on that good news soon.

Lynn: There’s a new series of books called Fan Phenomena, and there are volumes on some of the most popular shows, films, and actors of all time. And Supernatural is one of them – the only currently running and relatively new show to be included, so we’re really excited. Why do you think Supernatural is such a fan phenomenon?
Jensen seemed as excited as we are – he wanted to know what other fan phenomena properties were on the list, and raised his eyebrows in appreciation at being in such good company. Then he got thoughtful about the reasons Supernatural is on that list, and deserves to be.

Jensen: Really, I think it’s because of the fans. It’s you guys. There was a core group of you who latched onto this little show and took your passion to the internet and discovered there a whole social universe around the show, and that sustained the passion. It’s a great show, but a lot of it is the fans. You’ve gotten us the People’s Choice awards and the TV Guide cover.

Fans: (are beaming)

Jensen: And I think what it is about this show, it’s about the relationship between the two guys. Eric Kripke told us long ago, we can have ghosts and monsters and whatever, but this show hinges on the two of you, it’s about you two guys. And it’s about their complicated relationship, these are two guys who shouldn’t even get along, who are so different. You know, it’s like a good story is either about two ordinary guys in extraordinary circumstances, or two extraordinary guys in ordinary circumstances. And this is the first, two ordinary guys who are put into extraordinary circumstances. And I think people really related to that.

Fans: Definitely.

Jensen: (laughing) Good thing Jared and I got along!

Lynn: I think you and Jared can take some of the credit too, for making Sam and Dean so believable.

Right, fandom?

Another fan asked Jensen if he had ever had any weird stuff on his resume, like Misha Collins apparently had when he was just starting out.

Jensen: I’m sure I did at one time. Though I don’t think “acting on camera” is on most actors’ resumes…

Shhhh, don’t tell Misha!

A fan asked Jensen what he was best at, and the actor shared his view of himself and what he’s good at.

Jensen: I’ve done a lot of things, I always played a lot of sports, but I never really exceed at anything.

Fans: (are protesting that self assessment)

Jensen: I was never the best, never the tallest – (‘That was Jared’, he interjects with a laugh) – but I was always on the first string team. I’m good at a lot of things, but not the best. I’m a good actor, but not the best out there.

Fan: Yes you are – well, okay, maybe there’s one better.

Jensen: (deadpans) Not on our show!

Another fan asked how difficult it is doing a show where there are only two main characters.

Jensen: It’s not so different really, because even with a lot more cast on a show, you develop an on-camera relationship usually between two or maybe three people, so it’s not that different. Just a heavier workload. The writers want to keep it about the brothers.

Another fan asked an interesting question. What advice (if any) Jensen had gotten from fandom?

Jensen: (ponders) I’d have to think about that to come up with something specific, but I’ve learned a lot of things.

Fan: Like how crazy we are?

Jensen: (laughs) No, in all honesty, like I said, the collective has brought such a powerful impact to the show. It’s great to know that what you’re doing is going to translate to you guys. The awareness of that is a great motivating factor in a time of need. Being able to see your faces at these cons is so great for us — we know who we are doing this for. We see what it does for people. When we’re tired and it’s raining for 6 months and we’re shooting all night, we think “we’re gonna have something to tell them!”

Fans: (are grateful)

Another fan asked how Jensen and Jared memorized so much dialogue.

Jensen: Jared and I can read through our lines twice and we’ll have it down, two pages of dialogue. It’s like a muscle, the more you work it. And we know the characters so well and the writers do too, so it flows, there’s a certain cadence to these scenes. We run it in the makeup trailer when we’re getting ready, and then we do the run-through, and now I’ve got the spatial associations too. The scene takes shape then, the lines take shape within the movements, which also helps the continuity editor, so when you cut and then pick up again, nobody’s arm is in the wrong position.

Fan: Is it a challenge to play a character for eight seasons?

Jensen: The challenge is keeping it fresh. The writers, we’re lucky, are still passionate about the show and the characters, so it’s keeping the passion alive. In my opinion, the show is really good, so it hasn’t been that hard. I am playing Dean a little differently this season –

Fans: (interrupting to gasp) WHAT??

Jensen: (laughing) Not that differently! Not a completely different guy, he’s still the same guy, but he has a bit of an edge to him. I’m sure you guys will probably pick out when I don’t do that well.

The lone male fan in the group asked the next question.

Fan: So what’s your next challenge?

Jensen: Jeeez, is that not enough? Whaddya want from me? Song and dance, shine shoes? What??

(He helpfully acts out a little song and dance)

Fans: lol

Jensen: So far actually I’m pretty satisfied. I guess photography would be.

At this point, he pulls out his iPhone with a burst of boyish enthusiasm.

Jensen: Here, I can show you guys – I leave my nice camera at home and just use my iPhone.

(Shows every person in the room the photo he took of the front of the Impala – a gorgeous black and white close-up).

Fans: Ooooooh.

Jensen: (proudly) I put some antique on it. I just got down (he crouches on the floor to demonstrate) and shot it real close. I tried abstract painting for a while, but I’m not good at painting or drawing or whatever.

Fans: Well, you’re good at this!

And pretty damn good at playing Dean Winchester too!

Stay tuned for more from VanCon from Richard Speight, Matt Cohen and Misha Collins. We had a blast!

Just my opinion, but it sure doesn't sound like Jensen is unhappy with the way the season is starting out.

[novemberschild]

SoCal, I like the smiley you found

I have saw a comment made by Jared that the rumor/report that said Sam didn't look for Dean was exaggerated. and not completely true.
Is it true?, who knows but I think I will wait until the season starts and gets 5 or so episodes into it before I make a decision about whether or not I like it. I understand why everyone is so gun shy about the spoilers and interviews, after the horror of S7 it will be hard to want to try again.
I hope that everyone will at least give it a couple of episodes before you write it off, but I do understand your reluctance to have hope.

[AntiArbitrator]

That was a good Q&A session. Really enjoyed the responses. Jensen sounds happy and like it is going well.

I have never boarded the "worry wagon". I enjoy the show and the only concern I have ever had was fueled by fans' angst. I am ecstatic we have an 8th season and I'll be glad when it gets here.

[SoCal]

This is the latest from Carina MacKenzie at Zap2It. I have been hearing some rumblings over things said at VanCon this weekend, and I'm not sure if this will add relief or fuel to the fire, but this might be some helpful information nonetheless. I'm actually encouraged by her comment that the brothers' relationship remains central to the season, but it still is a vague spoiler nonetheless. Speculate away!

"Supernatural": Hey, fans who have been waiting to see Dean have a storyline separate from Sam's plight -- your patience will pay off this season. Sources tell us that Dean's return from Purgatory and his relationship with Benny the vampire will give him a strong connection to the season's overarching themes, without Sam serving as a middle-man. It opens the door for the boys to spend some time apart as Dean digs himself deeper into that world and Sam... well, tries to maintain a relationship. Of course, even as their priorities shift, the brothers' relationship remains central to the season. Their time apart has given them the tools to live separately; but that doesn't mean they want to.


I like the sound of this. But I like torment and angst....as long as it's happening to others!

[AntiArbitrator]

Aug 29, 2012 11:50:48 GMT -5 SoCal said:

This is the latest from Carina MacKenzie at Zap2It. I have been hearing some rumblings over things said at VanCon this weekend, and I'm not sure if this will add relief or fuel to the fire, but this might be some helpful information nonetheless. I'm actually encouraged by her comment that the brothers' relationship remains central to the season, but it still is a vague spoiler nonetheless. Speculate away!

"Supernatural": Hey, fans who have been waiting to see Dean have a storyline separate from Sam's plight -- your patience will pay off this season. Sources tell us that Dean's return from Purgatory and his relationship with Benny the vampire will give him a strong connection to the season's overarching themes, without Sam serving as a middle-man. It opens the door for the boys to spend some time apart as Dean digs himself deeper into that world and Sam... well, tries to maintain a relationship. Of course, even as their priorities shift, the brothers' relationship remains central to the season. Their time apart has given them the tools to live separately; but that doesn't mean they want to.


I like the sound of this. But I like torment and angst....as long as it's happening to others!

Thanks SoCal. Okay... I am speculating away. Better yet, I am going out on a limb to make a prediction.

Sam... well, tries to maintain a relationship

I predict that line will have some people fuming. No way is Sam going to be a house-husband and let Dean do all the hunting. I think TPTB are still messing with us.

I would not recognize Supernatural without the torment and angst.

[SoCal]

Yeah, I'm trying to remember how much Sera put out there that turned out to be, well, so much bovine scatology.

I hope these little snippets are close to being true because they sound exciting. I'm not concerned about Dean and Sam being lovey dovey brothers. They've always been different and it would be more surprising to have them attached at the hip for really long periods of time than not. Especially now that Sam seems to be "cured" of his hell-cage memories.

I would like the writers to expand their universe a little....let the boys grow up more....they're both in their 30's now, that makes a difference. We'll always want some of the playfullness there (especially since Jensen and Jared are terrific comedic as well as dramatic actors), but I would like to see more serious stuff going on and less of the light-hearted episodes that they went overboard with last season.

Is it October yet? I can hardly wait!

[jensenRick]

YAY FOR SEASON 8! AND AFTER THAT NINE AND TEN!!!!

[SoCal]

Thanks to www.mycoven.com for the heads up and to andreas_ri/LJ for the titles. We've already posted a number of these but here is the full known list.

8.01: We Need to Talk About Kevin
8.02: What's Up, Tiger Mommy?
8.03: Heartache
8.04: Bitten
8.05: Blood Brother
8.06: Southern Comfort
8.07: A Little Slice of Kevin

[AntiArbitrator]

I guess "Southern Comfort" has nothing to do with Dean switching his brand of alcohol.

Last time there was "slice" in a title, it was rather bloody. Please don't cut Kevin.

[Aeryn]

There's going to be more vampires in season 8.

I prefer angels!!!!!

[SoCal]

Aug 30, 2012 16:38:55 GMT -5 AntiArbitrator said:

I guess "Southern Comfort" has nothing to do with Dean switching his brand of alcohol.

Last time there was "slice" in a title, it was rather bloody. Please don't cut Kevin.

Isn't episode 6 the "Garth" episode? If we're lucky, he'll get killed before they run the opening credits. We can only hope....and pray.....

[waggy3015]

Why is there so much negativity towards Garth? I liked him and found him funny.

Truthfully, he was the only thing that saved the episode, Season 7-Time For a Wedding, for me. Otherwise, I don't think I would have sat through it.

For the record, I know a lot of people had issues with Mr. Fizzles, the sock puppet. I personally liked it, thought it was cute. That being said, I did find it a little odd consdering the girl was like 8 or 9 years old, not 3 or 4.

However, I understood him using it though. I can't recall, but didn't Dean, or some other cop, try to talk to her, but she wasn't talking? So I just saw it as Garth trying a different approach or tactic to get her to answer their questions.

Was it a little crazy, sure, but in the words of Dean Winchester: "Crazy works".

[Aeryn]

Garth just annoyed me. Of course, that's just my opinion. BUT HE MUST DIE.

God, I wish they'd bring back Ash somehow. And Pamela. I really loved those characters.