Gotham

[KyleEl]

I haven't had a thread, but I guess I could have created one.

It's very dark and quite violent. Bruce isn't on as much as I was hoping but there are other characters whose origins are explained. I'm especially enjoying watching The Penguin even if his story has a lot of violence.

I can't believe THAT's the mayor. He has never played strong characters and this city needs a strong mayor. He was on "Spin City" as an employee of the mayor of New York City, which some people call Gotham.

I like Selina Kyle and wish they'd show more of her.

[avp60685]

I know what you mean about the Mayor, he's almost a joke! The Penguin story I really am not fond of or Barbara but I like James 'Jim' and Selina the best of all the characters!

The last episode was pretty intense and the weapon used to kill the council members helped inspire me a bit in my writing for my science fiction story.

I wonder what will happen next in the stories for our future villains and heroes!

[AntiArbitrator]

I do not remember much about the city of Gotham and the story line is that Gotham's politicians and police are corrupt. 

The Penquin is a highly intelligent villain. He is currently the most interesting character for me. He appreciates the fact that Det. Gordon did not kill him so he wants to help him. However, the Penquin does seem unstable so that will lead to trouble.

I am glad Det. Gordon will not divulge any more information to his fiancee. She revealed information without his permission and everyone thinks he did it. That was dangerous because the crooked cops could have killed him. Plus, she gave him an ultimatum to reveal his secrets or lose her. I think she was being unreasonable and a hypocrite. If the Major Crimes detective was not pressuring her, she would not have revealed the secret she had been keeping from Det. Gordon.

I am enjoying the story and young Bruce is the boy who starred in "Touch" with Kiefer Sutherland. He is an excellent actor.

[KyleEl]

I like seeing Jim's wife walk around in just a shirt.

Other than that I wish she'd just let him do his job without talking about it to her.

[avp60685]

Last night's episode was pretty good, not a favorite but Selina was back briefly in the episode. Bruce is slowly uncovering the corporate underworld by reading over old files of his parents'. The new street drug was intense and the 'dealer' was a bit of a twist.

[KyleEl]

I'm liking it a lot better now that Bruce is actively researching. He's starting to remind me of the CBS version of Sherlock Holmes.

I don't like Alfred's accent. A butler ought to sound more sophisticated and he sounds very working class.

The violence still bothers me but I like the mismatched detectives. I like Jim better but his partner is really growing on me.

Saying I like Penguin is an exaggeration, but he's at least interesting.

[AntiArbitrator]

1.03 The Balloonman - Gordon and Bullock track down a vigilante who uses weather balloons to kill corrupt citizens.

The Balloonman  had an interesting way of ridding Gotham of corrupt citizens. The fear factor alone could cause the person to go into cardiac arrest. I wondered how high the balloons would float before bursting and it seemed to take more than a day for the first man to crash land. I think it is strange the police did not send a helicopter to search for the balloon.

Detective Gordon is a pain in the side of his partner. When he grabbed the perp and started floating, I thought that was above and beyond the call of duty. It is a good thing his partner, Harvey Bullock, is not totally corrupt.

Injustice can send a person over the edge and I notice a lot of vigilante justice in the super hero series.

[AntiArbitrator]

1.04 Arkham - Politicians on both sides of the Arkham district issue are in danger as the vote approaches.

I have enjoyed all of the episodes so far.

The Waynes’ legacy is being tarnished by the actions of the politicians. Mayor James is trying to appease both major crime families (Falcone and Maroni) in order to avoid more bloodshed. A compromise involving both low cost housing and a waste disposal site is not what was supposed to happen. The mayor changed the plan to build a new state of the art asylum and promised to retrofit the old one.

Bruce is obviously a highly intelligent young man and he has uncovered disturbing information about his family’s company. The people running the company are not doing what Bruce’s father intended. I like Bruce, Det. Gordon and Alfred working together to resolve issues. Bruce's question to Det. Gordon, “Do you believe Gotham can be saved?”, sounded hopeful and showed he feels a need to trust James.

I like the way Alfred treads the line between being Bruce’s guardian and his servant. That cannot be easy, but he does it quite well.

Gotham has some major villains in addition to the crime bosses. Fish Mooney is ruthless and seems to care about no one. Penguin is murderous, disloyal and vengeful. In his defense, I do understand how being ridiculed and nicknamed “Penguin” would piss him off.

Cat is not yet a villain, but she does appear at a lot of the crime scenes.
Her feline movements helped me to instantly know which character she was.

[KyleEl]

The goat's mask looked a lot like Batman.

I find it curious that there were references to the "one percent". That's a recent idea, right? And the cars on this show are really old.

When Bullock and his partner encountered the goat in the flashback, I think they were actually in the type car Kennedy was in when he was shot.

Jim can always claim they would have killed him if he didn't kill Cobblepot.

[AntiArbitrator]

Jim can always claim they would have killed him if he didn't kill Cobblepot.

That would be a true statement.

[AntiArbitrator]

It looks like Jim will be going "Dirty Harry" on Falcone's and Mooney's guys tomorrow.

Penguin's Umbrella

As violence escalates between Maroni and Falcone, Penguin unveils a new piece of his strategy.

[KyleEl]

Jada's son wants to wear a Batman suit on the show but she says that won't happen.

[mercurytheatre]

This is a good start. It's a show that is going to require patience.

I think we will get a good payoff at about season 3.

[AntiArbitrator]

“Penguin’s Umbrella"

I thought Penguin just walked awkwardly, but I finally got a good look at his shoes. No wonder he walks that way. I knew Penguin was smart but he is more clever and devious than I realized. He is playing all of the criminals against each other. I wonder what his end game is for Fish Mooney.

The entire precinct was scared to cross Falcone – that is just wrong!

Another thing that is wrong – Barbara!

I thought it was a wonderful gesture of respect when Jim told Bruce in person that he might not be able to keep his promise to find the killer of the Waynes, and then he introduced him to police that he could trust. Alfred is no slouch when it comes to protecting Bruce as I could tell when he held a knife to the Detective's throat.

I am enjoying the show and I like young Bruce. I am anticipating his self-defense lessons with Alfred.

[KyleEl]

There was another show where people were arguing about whether Bruce would do certain things. Someone commented that he didn't have someone to do certain things for him, but no, he has Alfred. It was something like teaching him to fly.

[mercurytheatre]

An aspect of the Batman story is that he was responsible for all of the villains in Gotham. That his very existance inspired the villains to arise.
This has always bothered me.
Gotham shows that these vilains were well on their way to originating before Batman ever appears.
They are all here ... Joker, Catwoman, Riddler and Penguin.
It is showing that all of the evil in the city are the means.


I can do without all of the Barbara Gordon drama, but her role is needed.
No harm will come to her until she bears her daughter. After that happens, all bets are off.

I am curious if Arkham will include Dr. Quinzel. Perhaps this will happen in a later season.


See you next week ... same Gotham time, same Gotham channel.

[AntiArbitrator]

Nov 11, 2014 9:40:24 GMT -5 mercurytheatre said:

An aspect of the Batman story is that he was responsible for all of the villains in Gotham. That his very existance inspired the villains to arise.
This has always bothered me.
Gotham shows that these vilains were well on their way to originating before Batman ever appears.
They are all here ... Joker, Catwoman, Riddler and Penguin.
It is showing that all of the evil in the city are the means.


I can do without all of the Barbara Gordon drama, but her role is needed.
No harm will come to her until she bears her daughter. After that happens, all bets are off.

I am curious if Arkham will include Dr. Quinzel. Perhaps this will happen in a later season.


See you next week ... same Gotham time, same Gotham channel.

Thanks for sharing the minutia. I also appreciate you letting us know we are stuck with Barbara for a while. Perhaps I should stop gritting my teeth every time I see her. She left a note for Jim and did not take his call so I was hoping she was leaving for a little while. Keeping fingers crossed.

"The Mask"

Jim is an awesome fighter.

I am a fan of "The Princess Bride" and Cobblepot's mother looks just like the woman who was the spell maker's wife. I am pretty sure it is her because she also had the weird mannerisms.

I had to look up Harvey Dent because I did not know he was "Two Face". The coin toss will make some of his actions unpredictable if he ever uses a real coin.

I cheered young Bruce on when he taught the bully a lesson because the boy would have kept accosting him for no reason.

The Cat is back.

[KyleEl]

As long as Barbara keeps wearing those short robes, she can stay as far as I'm concerned. I do wish she hadn't shown evidence she had something on under that robe. She was showing so much cleavage anyway that I could have looked obvious.

Cobblepot's mother first became famous as Latka's wife in the TV series "Taxi". Latka needed to marry to stay in the country. The woman was quirky there too and was at least nominated for awards. "Taxi" also starred Marilu Henner, the consultant for "Unforgettable" who also remembers everything.

I was glad Bruce beat up the kid but I was expecting Alfred to teach him to fight first. I couldn't believe how mean those kids were.

Yes, Kyle is back.

I could do without all the violence but I liked the way people finally started standing up for Jim.

[avp60685]

Nov 7, 2014 19:53:26 GMT -5 AntiArbitrator said:

“Penguin’s Umbrella"

I thought Penguin just walked awkwardly, but I finally got a good look at his shoes. No wonder he walks that way. I knew Penguin was smart but he is more clever and devious than I realized. He is playing all of the criminals against each other. I wonder what his end game is for Fish Mooney.

The entire precinct was scared to cross Falcone – that is just wrong!

Another thing that is wrong – Barbara!

I thought it was a wonderful gesture of respect when Jim told Bruce in person that he might not be able to keep his promise to find the killer of the Waynes, and then he introduced him to police that he could trust. Alfred is no slouch when it comes to protecting Bruce as I could tell when he held a knife to the Detective's throat.

I am enjoying the show and I like young Bruce. I am anticipating his self-defense lessons with Alfred.

Anti, you really stated the facts correctly! I was behind on watching in this episode so when I read your comments, I became more observant while watching it.

Penguin is truly a powerful foe, I would definitely advise everyone in Gotham to remain guarded around him.

Bruce has really shown how he looks to Jim as almost a dad-uncle.

Alfred is a true contender and I am glad he shows he is powerful to have around.

I am really starting to hate Barbara, she needs to learn to respect when Jim gives her warning to stay away, she nearly lost her life because of it. I was annoyed that she is becoming one of those cliché females who nearly get killed and their significant other has to arrange a deal to free her.

[AntiArbitrator]

I had not thought about it, but, yes, Barbara is a cliche. We can predict she will do the opposite of what is requested.

[AntiArbitrator]

1.09 Harvey Dent (Mon, November 17, 2014 8:00PM EST FOX)

Harvey Dent encourages Gordon to work with Mayor James on the Wayne murder case.

[KyleEl]

One show I watched had a reference to Penguin's umbrella, like that's something everyone knows.

Haven't seen it yet.

[mercurytheatre]

Ohhhhhhh, I like this Harvey.
Almost feel bad about his destiny.
I'm kinda liking Edward, as well.

I know that this show is a bit different than what we know about Batman lore, but I can't help but think that Selina is lying about the description she gave to the sketch artist. It looks nothing like the man who would become The Joker. I need to be prepared that this timeline will not turn out like I expect.

[avp60685]

I was stunned by the interaction between Selina and Bruce in the latest episode. Alfred was very guarded around Selina but warmed up to her slightly by the end of the episode.

The end scene with Barbara made me nearly hurl! Her whole statement about her lesbian life being over, proves she lied to Jim!

Jim is really almost too busy where we don't get much of him except in scenes regarding the Wayne murders and when he interfaced with Harvey.

Looks like Harvey will be back next week.

Penguin is a really perfectionist sneak and almost close to being to a pervert, he knows a lot of secrets and is excellent with his blackmailing techniques.

[KyleEl]

I never like to see people killed even if we never really got to know them. If they had even one line, I don't want to see it happen. And yes, I know that's necessary for a "murder mystery", but in most of those there's just the one victim.

How Penguin stays alive I don't understand. Of course they did try to kill him that one time.

This Harvey is tougher than he looks.

Why did they give Jim's partner the name Harvey? That's confusing.

It's interesting to note--and maybe Fox thought of this--that the writer of "Sleepy Hollow" is the one who called New York City "Gotham".

Arkham doesn't look that old, but then that style of architecture has been popular in recent years.

I like the way Selina and Bruce interact. It appears he's given up on school.

We know her mother isn't rich because she would have provided for her daughter in some way. She just doesn't want to admit to anything.

I found it strange Alfred gave up on her so quickly. She hadn't done anything to deserve that. But for whatever reason, she's still there.

[AntiArbitrator]

My favorite scene was when Dent went psycho on the smart mouthed criminal. I think my expression was the same as the criminal's...shocked! He seemed like a real friendly guy until then, but I like him.

Selina told Bruce one needed to be ruthless to survive on the streets so I understood why she appeared unappreciative and rude when either Alfred or Bruce talked to her. By the end of the episode, she had relaxed enough to tease Bruce and have a food fight. When she first asked Bruce about kissing a girl, he looked scared, but he did warm up to the idea. I think Alfred was happy to see Bruce smile and act like a child again. That made him warm up to Selina. I think the casting on the show is excellent and I like Selina's feline movements.

It was awful to force the arsonist to make bombs that were destined to kill people. Fish is as cold blooded as the other criminals and I am certain she made up that sob story about her mother. 

Gordon can trust his partner Harvey, but I do not know if he can trust the other detectives because one is having an affair with his fiance. I agree that we do not need two characters named Harvey.

Barbara!

I thought the drawing looked like Butch, but that can't be right because Timmy would know.

[mercurytheatre]

<3

[KyleEl]

Anything to make Bruce happy.

I saw five seconds of the show last night. Jim and Harvey Dent were talking. I just happened to turn on the TV at that time but I'm way behind.

[KyleEl]

Wow, I still haven't seen it. This is one of the many, many shows for which I had to extend the time last night.

I keep doing this again and again.

When Harvey flipped that coin, I suspected it was two-headed.

[KyleEl]

Nothing? Really?

Regarding last week's, which I finally saw, I can't believe Alfred is that tough.

Bruce seems to be happier now and it's a shame Cat can't stay with him. Kids that age in a city that mean really shouldn't be on the run, but it was entertaining.

I hate that Jim has been exiled to the asylum.