CFC (Please Read 1st Post)

[anicat]

Well, that's messed up!

Work - especially steady work - is hard to come by, for a great many actors. When something is being offered, it should be a no-brainer to take it, unless there is some nasty business or other strong negative attached to it.

Misha's agent certainly seems to be doing him a disservice, if that's the advice he's getting, and there doesn't seem to be any other major projects in the works.

I wonder if he could go with WMA? They're a top agency, and really well-respected and listened to in the biz.

[novemberschild]

Ani, that is my point! Why would an agent have their client say no to something if it means everyone gets paid???

I just don't understand why the agent would do that.
Misha was not a series regular in S7 and S8, so if that is the same agent, he had time to find something else for Misha to work on, but other than Ringer, I didn't see him on anything.

[AntiArbitrator]

I don't remember him being in anything else either and he is so talented.

A very talented fan drew this.

[novemberschild]

Gets the broom out and the mop bucket, time to clean the cobwebs out of here.

I have to admit I am a little nervous about how the human Cas storyline may play out. I don't want Cas to be the joke or the punching bag all season, I want him to explore what it means to be human yes, but that doesn't mean that he needs to be shown as stupid or kind of what he has been shown to be in the past-he has good intentions but makes the wrong decisions over and over.

I would like for Cas to learn something this season and to grow from that, not just make the same mistakes over

[AntiArbitrator]

November, I am with you on human Cas. He should not be the butt of jokes. It would no longer be funny.

Castiel has had close contact with Dean and Sam for years. When he was not with them, he was observing them. Therefore, he should know how to act in society.

I expect him to have problems adjusting to being alone and without powers. But that does not mean he will be stupid.

If Castiel will not be in the early episodes, are they going to ignore the fallen angels story line?

[novemberschild]

I thought I had heard where Cas would be in some of the early episodes? He probably won't be in all of them and I wouldn't expect him to be but I don't think he is going to stay away that long.

I also thought that the fallen angels storyline would probably be a season long arc, but I could be wrong on that?

[AntiArbitrator]

November, you are probably right. I have not been reading spoilers elsewhere. sometimes they give too much information, and I cannot tell what is a spoiler versus what is supposition. It can become confusing.

[AntiArbitrator]

"Team Castiel may very well have a guardian angel in the form of Misha Collins.

Speaking to TV Guide Canada at the CBS party at the 2013 Television Critics Association Press Tour in July, Supernatural regular Collins said he would be game for a fan fiction-affirming kiss between his character and Jensen Ackles’s Dean Winchester. Well, provided Ackles follows through on one, minor condition.

“If Cas and Dean had a kissing scene, whether it’s a dream sequence or not, I would just really hope that Jensen brushed his teeth,” he quipped. “That would be my dream.”

In all seriousness though, Collins noted that he does sense a definite tension between Castiel and Dean on set, especially after coming into contact with fanfiction that ships and points out the connections between the surface-straight duo.

“It’s one of the very unexpected surprises of coming to this job,” Collins said of fanfic. “Knowing that it is out there, you can’t help but be conscious of it in those moments.”

He continued, “It’s hard to say whether we’re playing to the fact that we know fans are doing that, or whether that’s just a real aspect of their relationship … But I think that there is a certain intense intimacy to their relationship that is real and that fuels that fanfiction.”

Collins couldn’t confirm whether any seemingly suggestive moments between Cas and Dean are written to provoke fans or will be in the future, but he has some serious backstage suspicions.

“Honestly, I think that [executive producers] Jeremy Carver and Eric Kripke ghostwrite most of the slash fiction,” he said, smirking before adding, “I write a lot of Wincest.”

Article by TV Guide Canada
Emily Gagne, September 5, 2013 12:00:09 AM

That final quote is typical Misha.

[novemberschild]

Yes, typical Misha.

I still don't care for Destiel though.

I see Cas and Dean as 2 very good friends, who have learned a lot from each other. I think Cas and Sam have storylines that are close and that they actually have more in common than Dean and Cas.

[AntiArbitrator]

Destiel was culture shock for me. I do not embrace it or watch the videos. I enjoy Misha's humor though and some of the humorous ennuendo during the episodes. But no serious stuff.

I see them as great friends too and nothing else.

[SoCal]

Friends and family (sometimes). Nothing else.

[AntiArbitrator]

Hey...we're going to let you get away with that one...just this one time.

[novemberschild]

Yep, this one time

[novemberschild]

It was great getting to see the following things in 9.01
Misha's name as a series regular again
Cas talking to Dean on the phone and being more worried about Sam than himself.
Cas in the Laundromat ;D

I do have a question though, Is an angels' grace specific to an angel or can any angel get grace?
In the episode Cas killed the angel girl, is it possible he could have taken her grace if he had thought about it, or would he have even wanted it? Maybe he wants to see how this human thing will work out.

[skylander]

November, I loved those things about Cas too.

I cheered and applauded when I saw the title card. Well done.

Since souls increase an angel's power, I have been wondering for awhile if the grace that leaves a felled angel also is absorbed as power.

Oct 10, 2013 20:50:00 GMT -5 novemberschild said:

I do have a question though, Is an angels' grace specific to an angel or can any angel get grace?
In the episode Cas killed the angel girl, is it possible he could have taken her grace if he had thought about it, or would he have even wanted it? Maybe he wants to see how this human thing will work out.

That is a great question, but I think the angel's grace is recognized as belonging to that particular angel.

[novemberschild]

Skylander, I know a vessel is specific but am not sure about the grace part.
I am not disagreeing with you, I am just not sure, I try very hard not to overthink certain aspects of the show, it would ruin it for me. I like to watch the show but not have to think too hard about it.

[AntiArbitrator]

Oct 10, 2013 20:50:00 GMT -5 novemberschild said:

Cas in the Laundromat ;D

I want to preserve that clip...I enjoyed that scene sooo much.

[AntiArbitrator]

Today is the first time I heard about the "Are you Misha Collins?" dollar bill prank.

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Personalized Dollar Bill Lands in 'Supernatural' Star's Hands
By Beth Greenfield, Shine Staff

“Supernatural” star Misha Collins is revered by a cultish following for everything from his puckish good looks to his tendency to engage with online fans and mess with minds through his annual scavenger hunt, GISHWHES. But now one devotee has turned the tables on Collins, joking with him in a stunt that came full circle on Wednesday, when the celeb received change that included a dollar bill with his name scrawled on it.

He wondered aloud about it, on Twitter, right away:
The 21-year-old fan behind the prank, Hanna Kahl of New Jersey *** had the funny idea a year ago. “I want to take a dollar bill and write ‘are you Misha Collins’ on it and maybe one day it’ll end up in his hands and he’d be the one mind-f****d for once,” she wrote on Tumblr in October 2012. That post started a revolution with many of her Tumblr fans following suit and uploading photos of marked bills with the Tumblr tag “Are you Misha Collins?” to prove it.

Collins seemed amused by the prank, telling Yahoo Shine in an email, "I know the treasury department has been discussing putting my face on the soon-to-be-minted three-dollar bill, but I appreciate fans pre-empting the slow-moving federal government with this currency augmentation campaign. And, by the way, my answer to the question penned on the bill is: Yes. I am Misha Collins. Are you?"

Kahl, through a Twitter chat, explains to Yahoo Shine that her idea was a "random thought" more than anything. “Misha had recently tweeted a picture on the set of 'Supernatural' and I thought it would be cool to trick him for once!" she says. "So I made that post and BAM everyone seemed to pick up on it!”

Alas, by summertime, the Collins currency began showing up “like urban legends,” ***

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Upon reading Collins’s tweet about finally receiving one of the dollars, a clearly thrilled Kahl responded on Twitter: “OMFG I'M SORRY I STARTED THAT LAST YEAR OH MY GOD.”

She says she doesn’t know how many other marked-up bills wound up in circulation. But it’s clear the yearlong project was a good-natured expression of devotion. “He's such an inspirational and down to earth actor. He not only loves his fans, but respects them as well," Kahl says. "He has left his mark on the supernatural fandom and I absolutely love him!"

Read entire article here: shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/personalized-dollar-bill-lands-in--supernatural--star-s-hands-183122434.html

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There can be no doubt about the love we have for Misha.

[AntiArbitrator]

Homeless and alone







He found love sex



He died without tears this time.



The worst cut of all...Dean is breaking his heart.

[novemberschild]

So, here we are 9 episodes in and Cas has lost his grace, became human and is homeless, has been beaten up and tortured several times, had sex, died and been resurrected, got a job, and has just become an angel (of sorts) again.
Where do we go now?
Since it wasn't technically Cas's grace, will he have the same powers, will he be the same Cas or will he have a harder edge?
How big a part is he planning on playing in the angel war? Did he get the grace just to protect himself or did he do it to play an active part in the war?
Is he planning on being able to help the guys out or will he continue on his somewhat solo path this season?

I know I always have lot of questions.

[AntiArbitrator]

I am still in shock that Cas can use a grace that was not bestowed upon him by God. Trying to wrap my head around that one. But, since I am a true and faithful Supernatural fan, I will accept whatever TPTB feed us.

Dec 11, 2013 20:21:13 GMT -5 novemberschild said:

Where do we go now?
Since it wasn't technically Cas's grace, will he have the same powers, will he be the same Cas or will he have a harder edge?
How big a part is he planning on playing in the angel war? Did he get the grace just to protect himself or did he do it to play an active part in the war?
Is he planning on being able to help the guys out or will he continue on his somewhat solo path this season?

I know I always have lot of questions.

When Cas called Dean, I was relieved because that means he still has the same loyalties in spite of the borrowed grace. He did indicate he will have a rougher edge and I am hoping that will help him in the upcoming war.

I think Cas' primary purpose will be to restore order to Heaven and he could not do that as a human.

I think Cas will be on a solo journey because our guys are not in a position to help him.

P.S. Why do I feel so much antipathy toward the Angel Metatron while I feel so much love for the King of Hell Crowley?

[novemberschild]

I was reading something on line a little while ago and I realized that the article made a point I had never considered before.
It mentioned when Cas killed Theo and took his grace he became an angel again, and then we see that he has killed all the guards and has escaped from Malachi.

The article/author made it seem like maybe Cas had killed the guards AND taken their graces also, I have never thought about that.
Cas did mention that he had become a barbarian, I wonder if he was just talking about the killing of so many or that he had taken so many different graces?

If he did take all those graces does that mean that that he has a massive amount of power? Does it mean that he might have to start "killing other angels" to get more grace because I wonder if his "specific grace" is gone does that mean that any other grace he gets may not last?

[AntiArbitrator]

November, that is a very interesting premise.

God!Cas sucked up various souls, etc., so it is conceivable that Cas ingested the grace of several angels. That would probably make him stronger and I hope he would be able to contain the grace(s) and still be himself.

I am going to watch the episode again with those ideas in mind. But first, I must wait until the football game ends. Will return later.

[AntiArbitrator]

I enjoyed watching the episode again. It makes me smile to see Cas' joy when he is with Dean and Sam. That was the best part of the episode for me.

Castiel needed to learn to be devious and he demonstrated that skill when he tricked the angel into unlocking the cuffs. He used to spend a lot of time trying to convince angels to do the right thing, but he now recognizes when that is fruitless.

After Cas took the angel Theo's grace, he was still alive and staring. Then Cas killed him the way they kill humans.





Then, I looked at the other corpses in the area and I did not see any who had their eyes burned. Some were face down, but there was one who was face up. His throat was slit and he seemed to have an angel blade wound, but his eyes were not burned..

I hope Castiel has enough grace to defend himself and to take on Metatron.

[AntiArbitrator]

My face lit up in a big smile when Cas was praying so I must post those precious moments.









He did something right because it worked! His prayers were answered, but as often happens, he did not get the results he wanted. But it did lead to him getting grace.

[novemberschild]

I like those prayer positions Anti, they are very sweet.

I do hope the past events of this season help toughen Cas a little so he won't be so naïve. He and the guys can be so smart and then do the silliest stuff sometimes.

[novemberschild]

I hope Cas can find a way to achieve some kind of redemption for all of the things that he has done, both the intentional and things not of his making.

I do wonder how his being human will affect how he views and thinks about life in general.

[AntiArbitrator]

November, I am hoping the same thing as you.

In Cas' case, I think he should be judged on his intentions rather than the outcome. (checking to make sure I am in the CFC thread )

He did not intend for the angels to fall so I hope he gains redemption by making it possible for them to return to Heaven.

I do not think Cas should be blamed for the things he did while under the control of other angels.

I do cringe when I think about him slaughtering those angels in Heaven, but a part of me thinks the evil of the Levi's was affecting him even then.

Redemption for Castiel should be a priority in S9 and here's to hoping his new-found grace makes that possible.

[novemberschild]

I always felt it was the Levi's that made him act as he did and the only part of "him" that was in control was when he went to Sam and Dean for help at the end of the episode.

I would like for not only Cas to find some redemption but also for Sam and Dean to find some as well. They have all now done something, or multiple something's with good intentions, yet bad things happened and I am really looking forward to seeing how those actions are handled by each other and how they will look at themselves. I hope Dean talks to someone, he can't continue to hold in all his guilt. I think these guys all need a hug

[AntiArbitrator]

Dec 31, 2013 21:00:12 GMT -5 novemberschild said:

I always felt it was the Levi's that made him act as he did and the only part of "him" that was in control was when he went to Sam and Dean for help at the end of the episode.

I have always thought that too but others were quick to demonize Castiel for it.

Dec 31, 2013 21:00:12 GMT -5 novemberschild said:

I would like for not only Cas to find some redemption but also for Sam and Dean to find some as well. They have all now done something, or multiple something's with good intentions, yet bad things happened and I am really looking forward to seeing how those actions are handled by each other and how they will look at themselves. I hope Dean talks to someone, he can't continue to hold in all his guilt. I think these guys all need a hug

At what point does a relationship become so damaged that it cannot return to what it once was? I am currently outside my comfort zone because I do not know the answer to that question. Permit me to explain.

In spite of the lies and fist fights between them during the first 5 seasons, we knew Dean and Sam had an unbreakable bond. When Sam betrayed Dean, we knew Dean would still hold onto him. Also, we knew Sam would die for his brother.

Castiel bonded with the Winchesters and I was comfortable knowing they had each others' backs.

November, the bad things that you talked about could be the proverbial straw that makes trust between the three of them unlikely. I do believe that love will survive and that redemption is possible, but I do not see how they can have faith that they are doing the right thing. Their attempt to do the right thing continues to end in disaster.

Castiel and Sam can truthfully say they did not know what they were doing, but Dean has to accept 100% of the blame for his actions. Dean sent human Cas away when he was at his lowest point and needed help. Dean gave permission for an angel to invade Sam's body. I feel truly sorry for Dean and I agree that he needs to talk to someone - even if it is Garth. Garth does have a calming effect on him.

Am I rambling? Too many thoughts running around in my head, I guess.