Don't look if you don't want to be offended.

[Aeryn]

I think all of you are fucking high.

[isitfridayyet]

Jan 26, 2012 0:58:04 GMT -5 Rose said:

What's up with all the yelling to get a point across? Is it really necessary?

@aeryn, let's do it!

[Rose]

Jan 26, 2012 1:05:48 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

I think all of you are fucking high.

High? No. Drunk? Maybe...

[Aeryn]

Sadly, I'm completely sober.

[Rose]

Jan 26, 2012 1:23:41 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

Sadly, I'm completely sober.

Well now, that just won't do, Aeryn!

[jensenRick]

Jan 25, 2012 15:14:12 GMT -5 JazzBeePrime said:

now we're turning this into a "which brother's words hurt more" debate. this is NOT the point i was making, so let's not go there, ok? the origional point i was making is that you cannot critique or pass judgement on just one brother. they are BOTH flawed. they BOTH have emotional boiling points, and they will BOTH, once in a blue moon, lash out at each other. dean throws the occsional right hook and sam throws the occasional verbal bitchslap. that's not saying that sam doesn't rarely punch dean, or that dean doesn't say something hurtful to sam. they BOTH do it. it's just that when they're boiling points are reached, dean is more physical where sam is more verbal. your referances to dean calling sam a 'geek' , 'poindexter', 'weirdo' and so on, those are brotherly jabs, and they BOTH do that. sam KNOWS dean is being a smartass. it's the same as when they call each other 'bitch' and 'jerk'. there's no malice behind it. it's just 2 brothers being brothers.

Oh for pete's SAKE! Is any of what you just said NEWS to anybody? Is there a reason discussion of Dean's behavior is verboten without lots of provisos?
First of all, as far as turning it to "who hurts more" - *I'm* not the one who repeatedly replies "But Sam said this" or "But Sam did this" every time someone wants to discuss Dean's pattern of behavior. How about we just discuss the way Dean acts, without trying to negate thru comparisons?

Secondly, why CAN'T we critique "just one brother"? Did I miss a new rule? If I talk about Dean's hunting style, do I have to include Sam's? If I mention Dean's car, do I have to include Sam's Charger in the discussion? Can I talk about Dean's hookups without mentioning Sam's flings? I'm pretty sure none of those conversations would have them BOTH be exactly even and equal in every way either.

Thirdly, I'm not "passing judgement"- because Dean has committed no crimes, and I'm not a judge anyway. I'm merely discussing Dean's behavior and speculating on the reasons for same.

Forth, who said anything about "malice" on Dean's part? Not me!

[Aeryn]

Jan 26, 2012 1:25:24 GMT -5 Rose said:

Jan 26, 2012 1:23:41 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

Sadly, I'm completely sober.

Well now, that just won't do, Aeryn!

I'm only sober because I'm in love. :heart:

I don't want to chance acting like an idiot...I adore this guy too much.

[Aeryn]

Jan 25, 2012 19:00:33 GMT -5 isitfridayyet said:

Jan 25, 2012 18:56:50 GMT -5 Rose said:

I don't really care if he was scared to death or not. I've never snapped down my family members' throats or said anything with that much venom. He literally tells Sam how far from normal, from human he's gone and hits him twice and goes on to tell him if he didn't know him, he would want to hunt him, and that's justifiable?
Why? Because Sam thought he was doing the right thing by saving people's lives by using his curse he has to pull demons from innocent people and keeping them alive?

Sam wasn't even drinking demon blood at this point. He was just pulling. Sam was terrified to tell Dean. He was terrified of what Dean would think, and Sam wanted to tell him at the right moment, he just didn't know when or how. I know exactly how that feels because I've been terrified to tell people I love about something going on in my life, for free they'd tear me down. Nobody should have to feel like that. Oh no. I just said something that could be perceived as negative toward Dean. *waits for the smiting to begin*

*smites*

Awesome.

*goes to smite DeanAndSam*

[jensenRick]

Jan 25, 2012 21:56:50 GMT -5 CaptainBill said:

Jan 25, 2012 0:42:23 GMT -5 jensenRick said:

On a related note, I've often thought that Sam's inability to get Dean to truly respect him, came not from believing Dean wouldn't want to respect him (it seems Dean does want to respect Sam) but that Sam seems incapable of seeing himself as someone that Dean would respect. I think that feeds into a lot of the times Sam has gone off to do things on his own. Do you see what I mean?

Hey Rick, I’m sorry about the non existence relationship between the step father and you. No matter how old we are we still want a parent. When one parent fails we tend to hold on to the other parent with teeth and nails and make every excuse under the sun to salvage the relationship with the last remaining parent when in fact we are simply choosing the lesser of two evils. Okay, enough of that downer.

Talking stuff out with Dean doesn’t work 90% of the time so I can see why Sam takes off like he did in “Girl Next Door”, not only he wants to resolve a possible mistake he made years earlier but also he knew Dean wouldn’t listen to him. When Dean said “okay” to Sam’s plea to trust him about Amy, Sam looked so surprised and relieved that the scene broke my little black heart. Maybe Sam shouldn’t have left like that and caused Dean to nearly go out of his mind with worry, but it did effectively showed Dean that Sam can manage his mental illness and that he’s not dangerous; Sam couldn’t verbally convince Dean of that, only his actions could get that message across to his brother.

I agree that Dean wants to respect Sam, but when your little brother/pseudo son is the target of every worse things in the world (including from your so-called best friend) it tends blinds Dean to the person Sam is. Sam’s line that Dean doesn’t know him is correct, Dean doesn’t really know his brother and in all honesty I don’t think he wants to know. Dean would not be a unique individual in real life, there are a lot of men that don’t need or want to know much about their life partners. It’s one of the many reasons why models/muses are popular with men but the same cannot be said for women.

Thank you, Bill. I know just what you mean about the loss of a parent.
Maybe that is why Dean clung so hard to the ideal of his father. Dean may have slightly bittered about his father after his death, but for all the years before that- Dean put a lot of things off in order to be and act more like his dad.
And even despite the change in Dean's feelings towards his dad, it's obvious that his actions (such as his current drive for revenge) and his reactions (I won't say towards "who", as it frankly could be anybody, as we've seen)- that Dean is still very much his father's son.

I know that I may project a bit, my relationship with my stepdad, and Sam's with John- and that probably has a bit to do with why I identify with Sam so much. I know what it's like to be a disappointment to your dad, for dad to never consider your wants and needs, for your dad to think you have evil in you, and to want to throw you out of the house. Fortunately I had my mom to stop that, and I'd like to think Mary would have protected Sam, although she certainly had her own major part in cementing Sam's tragic destiny.

Totally agree with you about Sam's inability to convince Dean. It happens, but it's rare as hen's teeth.

I'm not sure about the last part. I do think Dean wants to understand Sam, but because his frame of reference, it makes Sam seem like an alien being. Like I said, Dean still believes in one correct way to be- Dad's way. Sam isn't like Dad, and he isn't like Dean- so what the heck is he? Why does his way of thinking always seem so foreign? I remain hopeful that Dean's resentment of the college years is going away, as he seems to be open to the idea for other people- although I've yet to see it directed Sam's way, and "other people" were never really the consideration to begin with.

[Rose]

Jan 26, 2012 2:29:16 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

Jan 26, 2012 1:25:24 GMT -5 Rose said:

Well now, that just won't do, Aeryn!

I'm only sober because I'm in love.

I don't want to chance acting like an idiot...I adore this guy too much.

Awww, I just find this ridiculously sweet! :heart: I'm happy for you, girl. ;D

[Aeryn]

Jan 26, 2012 2:40:25 GMT -5 Rose said:

Jan 26, 2012 2:29:16 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

I'm only sober because I'm in love.

I don't want to chance acting like an idiot...I adore this guy too much.

Awww, I just find this ridiculously sweet! I'm happy for you, girl. ;D

Thanks!

The only problem is, he's married.

But I still adore him. Because of how I feel, I've been COMPLETELY sober for over a week.

[Rose]

Jan 26, 2012 3:02:49 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

Jan 26, 2012 2:40:25 GMT -5 Rose said:

Awww, I just find this ridiculously sweet! I'm happy for you, girl. ;D

Thanks!

The only problem is, he's married.

But I still adore him. Because of how I feel, I've been COMPLETELY sober for over a week.

Well, if he isn't happy in his marriage, perhaps you can fix is happiness.

Wow, a week? That's awesome! Go girl!

[MariaARIS3]

Wrong thread I know, but don't really want go to the other one!

@aeryn you screwed up with my fears, I screwed up with your Karma!

[Aeryn]

Jan 26, 2012 12:59:40 GMT -5 Rose said:

Jan 26, 2012 3:02:49 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

Thanks!

The only problem is, he's married.

But I still adore him. Because of how I feel, I've been COMPLETELY sober for over a week.

Well, if he isn't happy in his marriage, perhaps you can fix is happiness.

Wow, a week? That's awesome! Go girl!

Thank you for that. I'm so tired of hearing people say, "Oh, you shouldn't mess with a married guy! That's wrong!"

And its not like I'm trying to take him away from his wife...I just want him to tie me to the bed and have his way with me. Several times!!

He's an Aries, I'm a Leo. That is a great combination for "bedroom romps."

Yes, a week. To most people its not a big deal...but to people who party hard, its a fucking lifetime.

Maria, you are so dead.

[MariaARIS3]

Jan 26, 2012 13:19:36 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

Maria, you are so dead.

Bring it on baby!

[Aeryn]

Jan 26, 2012 14:05:27 GMT -5 MariaARIS3 said:

Jan 26, 2012 13:19:36 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

Maria, you are so dead.

Bring it on baby!

[MariaARIS3]

SOB!!!!! First I'm going to report you for getting off topic and then I'm gonna smite you again!!! (weird though, someone has been smiting the person I exalt right after I exalt them and exalted you instantly after I smote you! I smell rats! )
Oh, and before I smite you again

[Aeryn]

Jan 26, 2012 14:44:57 GMT -5 MariaARIS3 said:

SOB!!!!! First I'm going to report you for getting off topic and then I'm gonna smite you again!!! (weird though, someone has been smiting the person I exalt right after I exalt them and exalted you instantly after I smote you! I smell rats! )
Oh, and before I smite you again

I can handle being smote...can you handle seeing giant cockroaches everytime you click on a thread? Ask yourself that question.

[MariaARIS3]

Jan 26, 2012 15:01:16 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

I can handle being smote...can you handle seeing giant cockroaches everytime you click on a thread? Ask yourself that question.

MODS! Aeryn is harassing me!!!!!

OK, you won...

[Aeryn]

Jan 26, 2012 15:48:10 GMT -5 MariaARIS3 said:

Jan 26, 2012 15:01:16 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

I can handle being smote...can you handle seeing giant cockroaches everytime you click on a thread? Ask yourself that question.

MODS! Aeryn is harassing me!!!!!

OK, you won...

Yay!

[Rose]

Jan 26, 2012 13:19:36 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

Jan 26, 2012 12:59:40 GMT -5 Rose said:

Well, if he isn't happy in his marriage, perhaps you can fix is happiness.

Wow, a week? That's awesome! Go girl!

Thank you for that. I'm so tired of hearing people say, "Oh, you shouldn't mess with a married guy! That's wrong!"

And its not like I'm trying to take him away from his wife...I just want him to tie me to the bed and have his way with me. Several times!!

He's an Aries, I'm a Leo. That is a great combination for "bedroom romps."

Yes, a week. To most people its not a big deal...but to people who party hard, its a fucking lifetime.

Maria, you are so dead.

You're a Leo!? *highfives* So am I!

[CaptainBill]

Jan 26, 2012 2:39:26 GMT -5 jensenRick said:

I know that I may project a bit, my relationship with my stepdad, and Sam's with John- and that probably has a bit to do with why I identify with Sam so much. I know what it's like to be a disappointment to your dad, for dad to never consider your wants and needs, for your dad to think you have evil in you, and to want to throw you out of the house. Fortunately I had my mom to stop that, and I'd like to think Mary would have protected Sam, although she certainly had her own major part in cementing Sam's tragic destiny.

I’m both a big brother and a little brother and there comes a time when you got to let your little brother go pursue his own life. Except he wasn’t waiting for permission, just for my blessing. By the time I realized that he was already long gone and it’s something I always regretted, but I’m very proud of the kid. As for my own projection issues, I had a light bulb moment several years ago after a disastrous extended family reunion on a cruise ship (foreshadowing?) where the parent-adult children relationship dynamic play out in the confined space of a ship. The stuff that my (scapegoat) brother allegedly did to cause our parents to “never consider your wants and needs”, “think you have evil in you”, and “throw you out of the house” was THEIR problem, not my brother’s and it wasn’t his or our’s or my job to fix what went wrong in their own lives.

Good point about Dean being open to the idea of college for “others” which MAY help Dean get over his resentment of Sam going away to Stanford. I assumed that Dean was over his abandonment issue after roboSam but I guess there wasn’t a clear indication that he was. It’s petty of me but I’m still mad at Dean for crapping all over Sam’s heaven, this is partly why I think Dean doesn’t want to know Sam because he doesn’t try to see from Sam’s perspectives on what makes him happy, that and Dean never asked Sam on his thoughts or feelings about being destined/manipulated to host the greatest evil of all time. Your little brother is targeted by the Devil himself and yet you never bring his thoughts into account? Your excellent observation on Dean’s frame of reference does explain a lot of Dean’s
shortcoming , just like in real life when parents are mystified and stumped by their children’s individualities. From John and Dean’s
perspective, Sam would seem like an alien to them! I’m easier on John of this fictional world because he tried his best and Sam forgave him.

[Aeryn]

Jan 26, 2012 19:18:46 GMT -5 Rose said:

Jan 26, 2012 13:19:36 GMT -5 Aeryn said:

Thank you for that. I'm so tired of hearing people say, "Oh, you shouldn't mess with a married guy! That's wrong!"

And its not like I'm trying to take him away from his wife...I just want him to tie me to the bed and have his way with me. Several times!!

He's an Aries, I'm a Leo. That is a great combination for "bedroom romps."

Yes, a week. To most people its not a big deal...but to people who party hard, its a fucking lifetime.

Maria, you are so dead.

You're a Leo!? *highfives* So am I!

Yes!!! I'm a Leo!!!

We fucking RULE.